My Prediction for the New Hot OP List: Dengar Nym. So how do we beat it

By eagletsi111, in X-Wing

7 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Airen Cracken (19)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Cruise Missiles (3)
Guidance Chips (0)

Captain Nym (Rebel) (30)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Cruise Missiles (3)
Bomblet Generator (3)
Collision Detector (0)
"Genius" (0)
Guidance Chips (0)
Havoc (0)

Wedge Antilles (29)
Adaptability (0)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
R3-A2 (2)
Guidance Chips (0)

Total: 100

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That list or something similar by any chance?

VI Flechette torps Wes, autoblaster+Rey on Nym, 2 points of bid. I had iAstro on the T-65, but I think that was a mistake.

I meant it to be a joke list, but somehow went 2:1 (and the 1 loss was winnable if I won a 50-50 that my opponent didn't even realise was going on :P)

Edited by Elavion

Kill the ship with the better virtual action economy first, that's probably still dengar, as I haven't looked exactly at the lists involved.

12 hours ago, eagletsi111 said:

FFG has basically just made older ships even more unplayable

Soooo I've played dengar Nym apparently just about as many times as you have, and with my limited experience, it was very easy to handle with a list made up of ships from wave 4 and earlier. Soooo in MY experience, it makes them even MORE playable!

(that dengar Nym player I beat made top 16 in a 61 player tournament, btw.)

29 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

Soooo I've played dengar Nym apparently just about as many times as you have, and with my limited experience, it was very easy to handle with a list made up of ships from wave 4 and earlier. Soooo in MY experience, it makes them even MORE playable!

(that dengar Nym player I beat made top 16 in a 61 player tournament, btw.)

Yeah wave 1-4 ships are so OP! When is FFG going to wake up and buff Scum, Mindlink and Fat turrets? :D

13 hours ago, eagletsi111 said:

Did you play Dengar Nym? That's what this thread is about?

I have and I am 3-0 against Dengar Nym

and it's against one of the best locally

4 hours ago, Ravncat said:

Kill the ship with the better virtual action economy first, that's probably still dengar, as I haven't looked exactly at the lists involved.

I completely agree with you

In all three matches I have played against Dengar Nym, I have manged to focus down Dengar, with Quick Draw and RACLO(blinded pilot).

after that I would Kylo Damaged cockpit Nym and he could never hit me with bombs, it was glorious

all three times I lost Quickdraw, but she did her job.

On 7/16/2017 at 11:53 PM, eagletsi111 said:

Seriously, Nym is more maneuverable than a t70 x-wing, gets bomb damage almost ever turn that he can ignore and is just as fast, and has 3 attack, so even you close to range 1 he can hit you just as hard, and unlimited bombs that are a non action, even stress doesn't stop it.

However, Ion Does.

On 7/16/2017 at 3:22 PM, FTS Gecko said:

Stop overreacting, for a start.

Yes!!! I have played 10 games and lost 9/10. My only win was 300p Epic and was surprised how good C-Roc was, because it was also first lost for my friend with Epics ever!

I'm still waiting for my Scurgg, but I'm pretty excited to run Numbers with Autoblaster turret and Accuracy Corrector.. :)

This topic inspired me to take Dengar Nym to a local store tournament today.

Fun times!

On 7/20/2017 at 9:03 PM, Infinite_Maelstrom said:

However, Ion Does.

Not with genius :D

35 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

This topic inspired me to take Dengar Nym to a local store tournament today.

Fun times!

I assume you won then?

Crushed all your enemies, saw them driven before you and heard the Lamentations of their women?

So I figured I share my experience because while the list in question is hard to beat its not OP or impossible. The list I went against was this:

Dengar

  • Punishing One
  • Cad Bane
  • Cluster Mines
  • Predator
  • Extra Munitions

Captain Nym

  • Havoc
  • Genius
  • Fire Control System
  • Bomblet Generator
  • Twin Laser Turret

The List I was running is as follows:

Norra Wexley

  • Alliance Overhaul
  • Push the Limit
  • Kyle Katarn
  • Vectored Thrusters
  • BB-8

Lowhhrick

  • Selflessness
  • Wookie Commandos

Biggs

  • R2-D2
  • Intergrated Astromech

While Biggs eventually bit the dust two turns from the end of the game I pulled off a win with Norra only having one hull left and Lowhhrick having 3 Hull Left. A Big part of the success was the enemy trying to chase me after the initial joust and Norra being able to fire backwards and Lowhhrick being able to fire sideways was pivotal in being able to stay in formation to benefit from Biggs and also being able to return fire. I was hit with Bomblet Generator once (all three of my ships got hit because I forgot about Genius and cad bane re-rolls on bomb damage) but other than that I took no Bomb damage. The rest of the match was spent flying in formation around the edge of the map taking pop shots with Norra and Lowhhrick while Biggs soaked up damage. Not the most exciting match but it worked. The key was to focus down Nym first then worry about Dengar. So like I said, the list is hard to beat but not impossible.

Edited by Phoenix5454
5 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

Not with genius :D

Yeah. That did come up.

3 minutes ago, Ashley said:

I assume you won then?

No, I haven't quite reached Conan's level yet. I'm more like that wizened wizard dude who runs around after him.

Or maybe Grace Jones.

Nym has failed to impress.

Let's oversimplify and pick apart what makes Nym an interesting opponent.

Accuracy corrector/ Autoblaster is a decent combo but by no means broken, it was even worse with the ghost as it could double up on shots and eviscerate aces. But even that wasn't OP, it was beatable but the ghost being a large base ship is easier to deal with than the small base Nym even if it has more durability.

Bomblet Generator is an interesting card but doesn't feel that much worse than Sabine K-Wings, overall it's the most annoying part of Nym but makes for an interesting okay experience and can be beaten.

Pilot Ability: yeah both Nym's have good abilities but more often than not he's used as a high PS platform rather than fr his unique ability.

Alpha strike: Imperial cruise missiles seem to be a lot worse in all honesty but that doesn't mean Nym's strike isn't a problem. He has to be dealt with like any other alpha striker.

combination: the alpha strike followed up by chasing you down with Autoblaster and bombs with repositioning thanks to VI is what makes him a real threat. The thing is that he's seriously glassy, imperial alpha strike or any focused fire can be a serious problem and eliminate him in one to two turns and he hates cluster missiles.

TLDR: with Nym the game becomes a race of who can kill each other first (at least in my admittedly limited experience). He can't take much of a beating but you can't PS kill him either, focus fire or ordnance seem to be the best ways to bring him down and Snap Crack A-Wing swarms and tie swarms eat him alive even if he eats a few of them in return.

10 hours ago, VanderLegion said:

Not with genius :D

Can one use Genius to drop a bomb after a SLAM or Daredevil? Both count as maneuvers.

WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.

8 hours ago, Quadjumper King said:

TLDR: with Nym the game becomes a race of who can kill each other first (at least in my admittedly limited experience). He can't take much of a beating but you can't PS kill him either, focus fire or ordnance seem to be the best ways to bring him down and Snap Crack A-Wing swarms and tie swarms eat him alive even if he eats a few of them in return.

^ this.

Bomblet/Autoblaster Nym has a range 1 no-go zone, but folds really quickly to focused fire - even primary weapon focused fire. He dislikes facing ion weapons and tractor beams, which will almost certainly get their effect in against his 1 agility dice. Massed TLT fire and ordnance will chew him to pieces.

As with most low agility ships, the more shots you have on the board, the easier it'll be to burn him down quickly. Even a carefully-flown 3 ship build should be able to finish him off in the second round of shooting.

3 hours ago, SaltMaster 5000 said:

Can one use Genius to drop a bomb after a SLAM or Daredevil? Both count as maneuvers.

WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.

We don't have SLAM :(

41 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

We don't have SLAM :(

JM5K with burnout SLAM, Genius, and Cad Bane.

37 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

JM5K with burnout SLAM, Genius, and Cad Bane.

I thought we were specifically on Nym

You could pull it off with a jump but you will be hurting yourself apart from the one genius --> SLAM you get

Seem better off with ACTION bombs and the astro in the SCURRG pack

Edited by ficklegreendice

I recently went up against a Dengar/Nym list with Nym loaded with Autoblaster, Acc Corrector, Genius, Bomblet, Cruise Missiles, Havoc, GChips, & VI while Dengar had Title, Expertise, K4, GChips, EM, Plasma Torps, and Unhinged.

I ran Miranda/Nym both with TLT and bombs. Nym had Acc Corrector TLT so it was a simple strategy of play range control and TLT scum Nym while I bomb Dengar. Nym dies fast to opposing TLT, especially 2+ of them.

The new hotness is not going to be Dengar/Nym, it's Biggs and Lowhhrick protecting whatever you want in the rest of the list.

Edited by RStan
26 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

I thought we were specifically on Nym

You could pull it off with a jump but you will be hurting yourself apart from the one genius --> SLAM you get

Seem better off with ACTION bombs and the astro in the SCURRG pack

Ah, I thought we had gone to just the rules interaction. I mean this thread is so pointless, why not derail into interesting territory :D

SCURRG is always a worthwhile point for it is a thing of beauty!

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1 hour ago, RStan said:

The new hotness is not going to be Dengar/Nym, it's Biggs and Lowhhrick protecting whatever you want in the rest of the list.

While OP (apologies) I'm really considering a hard counter to this list just to watch it die horribly.

32 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

While OP (apologies) I'm really considering a hard counter to this list just to watch it die horribly.

I don't know about a hard counter, but the obvious counter is bombs and TLTs. The only things that get through all the damage mitigation.

#suchafunmeta

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 5:58 PM, FTS Gecko said:

Furthermore, the two games you played were against the top Scurrg pilot, Captain Nym. As others have pointed out, The best pilot for any ship SHOULD be good! If you're paying 40+ points for a 1 Agility ship it SHOULD be good! Unless you think Nym should just be another Cassian Andor or Talonbane Cobra?

Oot: Actually Talonbane will be pretty good after the buff. Ive seen him wreck face with glitterstim, intensity, vectored thrusters, hull upgrade, pulsed ray shield. Another option would be cruise missiles and chips in lieu of pulsed ray shield. Really fun to play and play against. Hes kind of scums poetensity.