Leia (Commander) and Antilles

By Stovrose38, in Star Wars: Armada Rules Questions

Ina fleet with Leia as the CO, can a ship with Raymus Antilles spend the dial with leia's ability and the token that is awarded by antilles in the same activation with the caveat that no other tokens are spent?

Example:

Reveal a concentrate fire dial

Gain and extra die and a reroll (from Leia)

Spend the token from Antilles to get another reroll

No other tokens may be spent, if there are any (From Leia)

This has come up before.

And while no definitive (FAQ) answer has been given, the general consensus is NO.

You can't do a Leia token and then another token of the same type.

Except Leia doesn't give you a token, it just says resolve as if it were a token and a dial. You're still resolving just the dial.

19 minutes ago, Stovrose38 said:

Except Leia doesn't give you a token, it just says resolve as if it were a token and a dial. You're still resolving just the dial.

And this is why GK said we need the FAQ for it and the general consensus is no.

There is no ruling so far if you can resolve two tokens of the same kind. Because there was no way to have (or resolve) two tokens of the same.

But if you want a rule part, the best would be this:

Quote

Commands
A ship can resolve the effect of a command by spending
a command dial or command token with the matching
icon at the appropriate time.

A ship can spend both a command dial and a command
token to combine their effects. Doing so counts as a
single resolution of the command

The rules say that you can spend a dial and a token. But there is no word for several tokens. And if you use Leia, it is as if you used a token.
For Leia this is right now the only reference that i can find.

42 minutes ago, Tokra said:

Because there was no way to have (or resolve) two tokens of the same.

But you're not spending two tokens.

This argument was had the moment her text was first spoiled.

There is -very little- point in rehashing it now.

Sufficed to say the only (very little) indication we have is as I've stated there... "Leia's bonus applies if you resolve a Command Dial. Not if you resolve a Command Dial and Token... "

Numerous people have asked for Clarification.

We are now waiting for Clarification.

Until official clarification arrives, the arguments are only ever going to be circular, unless you read the card wording in the strictest way possible.

(Command Dial =/= Command Dial + Token... In the same way that Discard =/= Spend, yet Spend can result in Discard under certain circumstances)

Edited by Drasnighta
8 hours ago, Vetnor said:

But you're not spending two tokens.

Leia is saying that her effect is " as if " you are using a token. If you use her effect, it is the same as using a token.

And since there is no rule what happens when you are spending two tokens, because the rules only talk from one token, i would say that it is not working. You will get the effect from the token only once.

But i am joining another endless discussion about a card that is not taken care of in the rules. And where we need (just another) FAQ clarification. The above is my opinion of the rules. And unless i missed something in the current rules or FAQ i will wait for the next FAQ.

To be pedantic, there is nothing keeping you from spending a matching token when spending a dial with Leia's effect active.

However, if you do so you only get the benefit of the dial and token. Leia's effect on the dial is to "resolve the command" as though you spent a dial and a matching token. The fact that you did actually spend a matching token as well is superfluous.

Frankly I think we've been approaching this from the wrong direction. Stop thinking of it as Leia boosting the dial, but Leia boosting the command.