41 minutes ago, Caldias said:I think Truthiness is probably town because he knows the difference between Highlander and Braveheart, which is a monumentally important distinction.
I'm glad we're using the same metric.
[MAFIA] Crisis aboard the ISD Morpheus - FINISHED
10 hours ago, TheToad said:May I quote the age-old adage..."He who smealt it, surely had dealt it"...
... not sure why you're quoting the art of war...
what does Sun Tsu say about people who dont vote?
I believe he'd agree with me on the importance of knowing yourself AND knowing your enemies... especially before you go lynching people.
10 minutes ago, TheToad said:I believe he'd agree with me on the importance of knowing yourself AND knowing your enemies... especially before you go lynching people.
Actually, a no vote on day one is widely considered a scum win. Its not just about who dies, but the information you garner from that vote.
Ordinarily I'd give you a newbie pass, but Caldias ruined that for everyone. Now I've got my eye on you.
Just now, Madaghmire said:Actually, a no vote on day one is widely considered a scum win. Its not just about who dies, but the information you garner from that vote.
Ordinarily I'd give you a newbie pass, but Caldias ruined that for everyone. Now I've got my eye on you.
Agreed.
Right now we outnumber the scum, if we lynch someone odds say we'll lynch one of our own then by the end of the first night we'll be down 2... why do the scum a favor
I stand by my decision...
...unless of course some damning evidence comes forth
Well ok then.
## vote TheToad
Day One it is difficult to have damning evidence, so it is mostly a crap shoot, unless someone has a slip of the tongue. I haven't seen anyone exhibit any explicitly scummy symptoms yet, but no-voting really does only benefit scum, so The Toad does seem a bit suspicious.
34 minutes ago, TheToad said:Right now we outnumber the scum, if we lynch someone odds say we'll lynch one of our own then by the end of the first night we'll be down 2... why do the scum a favor
I stand by my decision...
...unless of course some damning evidence comes forth
Yeah man, we had this whole discussion on our second game, and since then even Truthi, he-who-started-it-all, has come 'round. I will refer you to the Mafia Day 0 thread, where I attempted to lay out the arguments for and against a day 1 vote, in an attempt to prevent discussions like this happening in-thread. The last game, Gink specifically attacked my attempts to keep the scum from learning town plans by urging them to announce said plans openly, and he turned out to be scum, which I think somewhat justifies and supports my arguments.
So, please don't have this discussion here, it only benefits scum. As the Day 0 thread was meant to help people coming into the game, and thus you should hypothetically have been reading it, I have my eye on you now.
To further that point:
##vote TheToad
to make my warning more serious.
I'll reinforce the point. No day one hanging is very bad for the town. Without it, you have less to build a case with on later days. I know how the odds look from your first time because I've been in your exact position. But trust me, the day one vote is good for the town. Worst case scenario you hang a townie and then the people in on the vote have to explain themselves. Odds are at least one of them are scum. I'll keep you off -2 for now, but you're looking like the best candidate for the day one hanging.
All I want is us to think things over and not to make important decisions too quickly, we must maintain order, we are still officers of the Imperial Navy after all
It's beginning to seem like the threat isn't where I thought it was.
## unvote Truthiness
Toad's up to something, I think. Maybe he's not Scum but not townie/regular officer either (doctor/cop/etc.)...
I agree that not lynching could hurt us, I just wanted the record to state I vote for nobody until there is more information.
I do find it interesting that the instigators started pointing fingers at me the moment I suggested this^^^
very interesting...
3 minutes ago, TheToad said:I agree that not lynching could hurt us, I just wanted the record to state I vote for nobody until there is more information.
I do find it interesting that the instigators started pointing fingers at me the moment I suggested this^^^
very interesting...
This isnt helping your case. I did try to warn you that you were advocating a traditionally scum position.
I'm advocating the position that pointing fingers and making un-informed decisions is not a good idea.
Until I am able to make an informed decision I will abstain from voting for somebody
1 minute ago, TheToad said:I'm advocating the position that pointing fingers and making un-informed decisions is not a good idea.
Until I am able to make an informed decision I will abstain from voting for somebody
I didn't make an uninformed decision though. None of us did. We all more-or-less stated that the reason we voted is because advocating a no-vote is a pro-scum vote, and thus the person doing it may be pro-scum. It isn't certain, but then nothing is Day 1 of Mafia. If something comes up that appears more suspicious than your support of a no-vote, I shall change my vote. However, at the moment, that something hasn't come up.
10 players alive - 6 to hammer
1 - @Madaghmire (0) -
2- @Caldias (0) -
3- @Truthiness (1) - TheToad
4- @CaribbeanNinja (0) -
5- @PodRacer (0) -
6- @ForceGhostofNobodyInParticular (0) -
7- @TheToad (2) - Madaghmire, ForceGhostofNobodyInParticular
8- @ImperialCaptain2017 (1) - Bike Stunts
9- @JJs Juggernaut (0) -
10- @Bike Stunts (0) -
11-No vote (0) -
Edited by VisovicsSo I am assumed guilty for actions made in previous games? That is an interesting way to find justice.
Im now changing my vote to the person who started the finger pointing in the first place
## vote Truthiness
@CaribbeanNinja @JJs Juggernaut We've got time, so I'd like to hear your thoughts before I put him at -2.
I'm inclined to throw my vote in on Toad for all the afore mentioned reasons. Much like me when I took his position, I don't see his stance changing. Whether that's novice or scummy behavior is unfortunately irrelevant because the end result is the same. (**** you Caldias for ruining noobie flexibility!!!)
##unvote
1 minute ago, TheToad said:So I am assumed guilty for actions made in previous games? That is an interesting way to find justice.
Im now changing my vote to the person who started the finger pointing in the first place
## vote Truthiness
Wow, two mistakes in a row. First you take the hard stance against voting on day one, then equate talking and starting conversation with being Scum. The worst part is that the two stance are utterly inconsistent with each other. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you're making real hard for me not to vote. I'll stick with waiting for JJ and Ninja to weight in because I like their insight, but it's gonna take a lot for me NOT to vote for you at this point.
All I tried to do was take a neutral stance, I was instantly vilified for this. I promote not making rash decisions and then a lot of work is put in to make me look like the bad guy. My vote stands
12 minutes ago, Truthiness said:Wow, two mistakes in a row. First you take the hard stance against voting on day one, then equate talking and starting conversation with being Scum. The worst part is that the two stance are utterly inconsistent with each other. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you're making real hard for me not to vote. I'll stick with waiting for JJ and Ninja to weight in because I like their insight, but it's gonna take a lot for me NOT to vote for you at this point.
I will also wait and see. As someone who is very careful and deliberate in word choice due to being an English major, I personally suspect Toad for a few reasons:
2 hours ago, TheToad said:All I want is us to think things over and not to make important decisions too quickly, we must maintain order, we are still officers of the Imperial Navy after all
I don't know, this could be me being nitpicky, but the "after all" tacked onto the end makes me think of Macbeth and "protesting too much." Then, after being explained that no-voting is bad, he doubles down twice (triples down) on abstaining:
1 hour ago, TheToad said:I agree that not lynching could hurt us, I just wanted the record to state I vote for nobody until there is more information.
I do find it interesting that the instigators started pointing fingers at me the moment I suggested this^^^
very interesting...
1 hour ago, TheToad said:I'm advocating the position that pointing fingers and making un-informed decisions is not a good idea.
Until I am able to make an informed decision I will abstain from voting for somebody
Then, the sudden accusation of Truthiness:
18 minutes ago, TheToad said:So I am assumed guilty for actions made in previous games? That is an interesting way to find justice.
Im now changing my vote to the person who started the finger pointing in the first place
## vote Truthiness
Truthiness didn't post anything between his triple down and this vote, so this could be a scum player trying to draw suspicion away from himself and direct it at someone who has inside him blood of kings. @TheToad, I think for your long-term health it might be good to go through your thought process step by step.
I also understand, since I am sympathetic to noob plight, that this could just be a new person trying to figure things out. And I'm sorry I ruined that for everyone!
The sudden accusation? He's the one who has been doing a lot of work to make me look suspicious after I simply chose to take a neutral stance, am I to just sit here and let truthiness smear me?
It is sudden because there is a 45 minute gap between your last posts before that, but Truthiness' "smear" happened before that. I totally get that could be you just failing to read the whole thread before those replies, or just missing his, but those are simply my thoughts. Do you have an alternative analysis to provide?