So heres a question:

Double Edge is equipped with two identical missile upgrades and Munitions Failsafe. Idea is double-layered ordnance shot where you also didnt lose the card for the first shot if you end up using his ability.
Does it count as a "different weapon" if you fire the same exact missile again, only its from a different card?

I would think so, yes.

I'd say so, yes.

I'm not so sure although I suspect it probably should.

While it isn't "Performing an Action" I'm looking at how if you have two "different" things that give you some action you still can't use that action twice.

You've got three answers that are all a little different and none sounds certain. Perhaps/Hopefully this is something that the FAQ will address.

I would say no because it says different and cards like the Royal Guard title and the (to be released) Vaksai title both say "different modifications" and if it wasn't using the name of the card to identify whether it was different or not then you'd be seeing people on the forum arguing you can have 3 sets of guidance chips on a Vaksai Kihraxz because it is physically three different cards.

I would say yes because you can have multiple Inspiring Recruits and resolve them at various times when their triggers come up so long as you keep track of which ones you've used thus far. Thought here being I have a trigger and inspiring recruit triggers but I have two different inspiring recruits so I can use both.

I'm not sure one way or the other, I think the stronger argument is no - however neither of these two rationales share the exact same functionality/mechanisms as Double Edge. Additionally, if yes because "different" in X-Wing only relates to the physical card that would mean Royal Guard and Vaksai titles allow multiple upgrade cards with the same name so long as you pay the squad point cost for each copy...which means everyone will fly Vaksai Kihraxz with mindlink, 3 guidance chips, and cruise missiles to guarantee 3x critical hit results...

THat's a pretty strong argument.

I'm pretty well persuaded.

But it's worth noting that your primary weapon is a different weapon from the secondary you attacked with first. TLT and primary is totally legit.

5 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'd say so, yes.

57 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

THat's a pretty strong argument.

I'm pretty well persuaded.

But it's worth noting that your primary weapon is a different weapon from the secondary you attacked with first. TLT and primary is totally legit.

Which just goes to show that this is one of those questions there may not actually be a "right" answer for right now. Just hope we get one.

4 hours ago, ZealuxMyr said:

I would say no because it says different and cards like the Royal Guard title and the (to be released) Vaksai title both say "different modifications" and if it wasn't using the name of the card to identify whether it was different or not then you'd be seeing people on the forum arguing you can have 3 sets of guidance chips on a Vaksai Kihraxz because it is physically three different cards.

I would say yes because you can have multiple Inspiring Recruits and resolve them at various times when their triggers come up so long as you keep track of which ones you've used thus far. Thought here being I have a trigger and inspiring recruit triggers but I have two different inspiring recruits so I can use both.

I'm not sure one way or the other, I think the stronger argument is no - however neither of these two rationales share the exact same functionality/mechanisms as Double Edge. Additionally, if yes because "different" in X-Wing only relates to the physical card that would mean Royal Guard and Vaksai titles allow multiple upgrade cards with the same name so long as you pay the squad point cost for each copy...which means everyone will fly Vaksai Kihraxz with mindlink, 3 guidance chips, and cruise missiles to guarantee 3x critical hit results...

After reading this I was agreeing until I thought about it a little more. Royal guard and Vaksai both say different modifications , this is true BUT remember that modification is a specific type of upgrade card (everyone gets 1 of normally) so you can equip two upgrades of the same type(modification) but they must be different (or rather to say not the same twice/thrice). Where double edge says "different weapon", there are specific types of weapons but double edge doesn't make that distinction about what else it can attack with (such as gunner, or the aggressor IG-88B), only that it is a different weapon. So you couldn't use unguided rockets twice, or w/e equipped turret twice but you could use unguided rockets (or primary weapon) if you missed with your turret. So while I can see being able to use two different missiles of the same name, the much stricter reading of double edge means if you use a missile and miss with it you can't make another attack with a different missile even if they are different names because they are the same type of secondary weapons, missiles.

TL:DR

having different modifications is specific to the name of the upgrade card, where as different weapon from double edge is not specific to the name of the upgrade card but is specific to the type of weapon used (missile/torpedo/turret/cannon/etc secondary weapon and primary weapons).

An errata or a clarification might be required if it becomes a big deal.

I love how we got two TIE Aggressors with pilot abilities and we need a Day 1 FAQ for both of them...

I don't see a need for an faq.

Two copies of the same weapon is still only one weapon. So you can not fire it a second time with Double Edge.

This is no different from multiples of the same crit or multiple copies of a modification being denied on royal TIE or elites in an A-wing Test Pilot

I would say you can shoot another version of the same type of weapon. Its still a different weapon by virtue of it being a different upgrade card.

Otherwise, you'd have to discard both upgrade cards if one of them hit. They have to be considered ''different'' in every way, even though they'd be the same upgrade.

Hope the FAQ clears this up.

I am going to say yes base on one question from the faq....

Q: If a ship has more than one copy of the same card that does not require an action to trigger its ability, can it trigger all of those card abilities?

A: Yes. For example, when a ship equipped with two Mercenary Copilots is attacking, it can change two results to two results.

So in my opinion, this proves that each individual "card," not name of the card, is treated separately for game effects, in turn, having two cards of the same weapon would allow Double Edge to fire one after another as long as it does not require an action and meets all other firing requirement.

I would say its fine, it would be very odd to say that if Double edge has a homing missile and a concussion missile, if you miss with the homing missile you could fire the concussion, however if you have 2 homing missiles you couldn’t for the second one if you miss with the first.

Having said all that it seems highly theoretical due to the fact I can't ever see anyone actually putting 2 missiles on an aggressor anyway.

On 7/14/2017 at 1:26 PM, Vineheart01 said:

So heres a question:

Double Edge is equipped with two identical missile upgrades and Munitions Failsafe. Idea is double-layered ordnance shot where you also didnt lose the card for the first shot if you end up using his ability.
Does it count as a "different weapon" if you fire the same exact missile again, only its from a different card?

Different cards are different weapons even if they're identical.