Just now, BlodVargarna said:

I've just built this same list on my squad builder app, but I think Jake still wants prockets over cruise missiles.

Yes, that's another issue. But I firmly believe (until I played it more at least) that cruise is the way to go because it replaces a two dice attack while prockets replace a three dice attack.

Prockets are easier to use as I have never problems staying in range1 behind a ship, and I often approach with a 3speed maneuver. So these poinst go to prockets, but I think that Cruisemissiles have a higher floor and higher ceiling, so to speak.

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Aside from Airen to give an action and Roark to make a ship PS12, is there anything else? It's early and I haven't had caffeine yet. That Black One title really loves the BB-8 barrel roll, and there's no way to make that happen later.

EI, Squad Leader Jake with a focus pass from Garven, or kyle, or operations specialist...
Squad leader Thane
Ashoka Tano


you can build more convoluted things on top of that - also counting the ones you have

12 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

I appreciate the efforts, both of you, but these builds aren't exactly tearing up the Meta... (or even appearing anywhere in the Meta). Sorry.

Took 4th in a SC with it.

Don't knock LW Luke, he is one tough nut to crack. And Vectored makes for excellent range control. Didn't eat a single range 1 shot all day. And he's virtually immune to TLTs.

1 minute ago, Stevey86 said:

Took 4th in a SC with it.

Don't knock LW Luke, he is one tough nut to crack. And Vectored makes for excellent range control. Didn't eat a single range 1 shot all day. And he's virtually immune to TLTs.

LW Luke and Poetensity are 77 points. Who would you fly with them? I love the idea of old and new flying together.

1 minute ago, BlodVargarna said:

LW Luke and Poetensity are 77 points. Who would you fly with them? I love the idea of old and new flying together.

maybe intensity jake refit - i'd need to actually think about it

4 minutes ago, Stevey86 said:

Don't knock LW Luke, he is one tough nut to crack. And Vectored makes for excellent range control. Didn't eat a single range 1 shot all day. And he's virtually immune to TLTs.

That's super interesting! Why is he virtually immune to TLTs? Because he regens if a hit gets through, or because he always evades?

I'd have expected TLT to be a problem

7 minutes ago, Stevey86 said:

Took 4th in a SC with it.

Don't knock LW Luke, he is one tough nut to crack. And Vectored makes for excellent range control. Didn't eat a single range 1 shot all day. And he's virtually immune to TLTs.

I stand corrected! Bravo to you (EDIT: and to @Ravncat )!

3 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

LW Luke and Poetensity are 77 points. Who would you fly with them? I love the idea of old and new flying together.

Ahsoka with VI and Captured TIE.

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

That's super interesting! Why is he virtually immune to TLTs? Because he regens if a hit gets through, or because he always evades?

I'd have expected TLT to be a problem

These days you rarely see more than 2 TLTs in a list. And your opponent will likely only be able to modify one of the shots. Between LW and his ability you can dodge a lot of them, and when one slips through, just regen it.
He'll die to spike damage, but laughs at the "death by a thousand tiny cuts" approach.

8 minutes ago, Stevey86 said:

Ahsoka with VI and Captured TIE.

POETENSITY, LUKE WOLF, AND ASHOKATIENO

100 points

PILOTS

Poe Dameron (PS9 Version) (41)
T-70 X-Wing (33), Black One (1), BB-8 (2), Primed Thrusters (1), Intensity (2), Autothrusters (2)

Luke Skywalker (36)
X-Wing (28), R2-D2 (4), Lone Wolf (2), Vectored Thrusters (2)

Ahsoka Tano (23)
Sabine's TIE Fighter (17), Veteran Instincts (1), Sabine's Masterpiece (1), Captured TIE (1), Black Market Slicer Tools (1), Rey (2)

The stealth version is even more resiliant to TLT, it's surprising how good his ability + lone wolf + an extra defense die ends up, with a reroll on 3 dice, it's like 4, with a built in free focus. Stealth LW luke doesn't need tokens and it can be active on every attack. It's one of the only places i'd ever run stealth on a 2 agi ship - but it works out that in most games, stealth saves more than 2 damage - and very rarely breaks without saving a single damage. 2 is the threshold - 3 points for "shield" and 0 points for integrated astromech... ( so you really need to have stealth work more than once to be worth it over the cheeper guaranteed integrated astromech - but by the time you have lost stealth - r5-p9 kicks in. Having the defensive focus ability means you can often keep the focus for regen - and not being locked into greens on a t-65 is pretty useful. Lone wolf also gives you an offensive reroll so that you can have mods should you need to save the focus for regen.

If you're up against hot shot co-pilot, its not terrible to spend on offense - and killing hot cop early will work out well. Stealth isn't a requirement, but it's kindof silly how well stealth works on LW luke.

8 minutes ago, Stevey86 said:

These days you rarely see more than 2 TLTs in a list.

I think 4 TLT lists are going to come back in the short term due to Aggressor just coming out.

Just now, BlodVargarna said:

I think 4 TLT lists are going to come back in the short term due to Aggressor just coming out.

Maaaaaybe? I mean it's worse than quad Y-Wings but at least you can find 4 Aggressors in the shops to play them.

9 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

I think 4 TLT lists are going to come back in the short term due to Aggressor just coming out.

And they'll be gone just as quick with Dengar/Tel taking one off the table every round without breaking a sweat.

its a shift from the ywings, neither better or worse.

Ywings are more durable by a long shot so they can take a couple shots in the face and be fine, however due to 1agi and a very limiting dial (no broll or points for 4 VTs in a 4TLT list) its time is limited as it literally cant shake the enemy.
Aggressors are way easier to pop...if you can hit them. They have a much more open dial, innate barrelroll, and 2+1 agility vs 1 agility. The barrelroll and lack of red turns means they can shake people off their tail, or better yet avoid a boxing ring otherwise known as the TLT donut.
Ive ran a pair of TLT Ywings with VTs and the barrelroll alone vaaaastly improves their performance. I would not be surprised to see 4 aggressors. Whether or not they stick around is another question.

58 minutes ago, Stevey86 said:

These days you rarely see more than 2 TLTs in a list. And your opponent will likely only be able to modify one of the shots. Between LW and his ability you can dodge a lot of them, and when one slips through, just regen it.
He'll die to spike damage, but laughs at the "death by a thousand tiny cuts" approach.

****, did again some number crunching (I like doing that, don't judge me!) and Luke+LW+Stealthdevice is at a 85% chance to evade 2 or 3 shots. That's really good! Sure it drops to 67% after the first hit, but that's still pretty good. Both numbers need a focus to spend in some cases.

Edit: and using the calculator(TM), the chance to completely shrugg off an unmodified TLT shot is at 76%, drops to 57% for a focusTLT. Chances for 2 damage are 6% and 2%, respectively.

22 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

****, did again some number crunching (I like doing that, don't judge me!) and Luke+LW+Stealthdevice is at a 85% chance to evade 2 or 3 shots. That's really good! Sure it drops to 67% after the first hit, but that's still pretty good. Both numbers need a focus to spend in some cases.

Edit: and using the calculator(TM), the chance to completely shrugg off an unmodified TLT shot is at 76%, drops to 57% for a focusTLT. Chances for 2 damage are 6% and 2%, respectively.

Yeah, but in practice your dice are either awesome or completely **** you over.

I will see your Intense Poe, and raise you to Intense Horn!

Corran Horn (35)
Intensity (2)
Fire-Control System (2)
BB-8 (2)
Engine Upgrade (4)

Total: 45

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Just now, Stevey86 said:

Yeah, but in practice your dice are either awesome or completely **** you over.

Oh absolutely! But I was just very surprised that Luke of all pilots can be reasonably resilient. That doesn't mean that he's going to be the new hot stuff (his offense is probably way too weak), but there's at least a build that's way better than I knew.

probably mentioned already, but Poetensity --> Comm Relay

2 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

I will see your Intense Poe, and raise you to Intense Horn!

I'm not sure I like Corran at PS8 and without regen to save only 3 points.

Took Intensity Poe for his first flight last night and he survived three 5-die Cruise Missiles in one round.

13 minutes ago, ObiWonka said:

Took Intensity Poe for his first flight last night and he survived three 5-die Cruise Missiles in one round.

By making sure two of them never happened in the first place (Black One?)

Black One on this build is worth its weight in gold. I love being able to shed TLS left and right.

Black One alone is the reason i stopped running 2 gammavets so much. It hardcounters that build so badly that just its existence wins against me.

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

I'm not sure I like Corran at PS8 and without regen to save only 3 points.

very true.