26 minutes ago, Mon no Oni said:

I think Ujimitsu will probably be a conflict Character, which would be a call back to his wonky mechanics. Probably not as big as the other Champions, to compensate for the surprise factor, and that's why Tsukune will be there as THE big dynasty character to make up for that.

I was actually wondering this too. Ujimitsu could be a conflict character to really break the mechanics. Broken as in - how do these work again? lol

24 minutes ago, Suzume Tomonori said:

Also, a five fate conflict character would be really difficult to surprise people with.

"Why are you banking five fate?"

"...no reason."

Well... who said he costs 5 fate? IF Ujimitsu is a conflict character then he may not cost 5. He may cost only 1-2 and may require some other requirement - such as his stats are based on what rings you control, so the power is only great if you control 2+ rings.

However - I think we actually got confirmation that Ujimitsu is NOT the clan champion because part of the Tuskune accidental reveal was that her image was displayed with the other clan champions. Ujimitsu is almost certainly DOA, and Tsukune is the champ.

That said - with her pitiful stats, what awesome ability will she have to make up for it? Maybe she never goes away during the fate phase so you always buy her for the minimum and keep her? Or maybe she gets +1/1 or +2/2 per ring you control? Maybe she doesn't bow in conflict resolution? idk, but I want Phoenix next so I can find out haha

Not gonna lie, if Champs are evergreen in legality, Tsukune is a hell of a lot more evocative of what the Phoenix are than "that misprinted guy who did almost nothing in the story."

1 hour ago, Shiba Gunichi said:

Not gonna lie, if Champs are evergreen in legality, Tsukune is a hell of a lot more evocative of what the Phoenix are than "that misprinted guy who did almost nothing in the story."

He died well, that's something.

When future champions are added to the game, I wonder if there is any rulebook effect that will prevent the anachronism of having both in play simultaneously? I won't be too let down if this feels to be the case; it could read like former U.S. Presidents still being addressed as "Mister/Madame President."

8 minutes ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

When future champions are added to the game, I wonder if there is any rulebook effect that will prevent the anachronism of having both in play simultaneously? I won't be too let down if this feels to be the case; it could read like former U.S. Presidents still being addressed as "Mister/Madame President."

We don't have the full rules yet, but I wonder if the full deck construction rules are going to allow only 1 champion character per deck (of course, full copies of the card are allowed) so that you have to pick which you use.

FFG has historically had the concept of card restriction by title (which, I've come to believe, is the primary reason why they avoid the use of subtitles for use in distinguishing versions of a given character), but I don't believe they have ever tied rulebook effects to Traits as AEG did with what were known as keywords in the CCG.

5 hours ago, shosuko said:

Well... who said he costs 5 fate? IF Ujimitsu is a conflict character then he may not cost 5.

That was the point I was making: your conjecture that he could be a low-cost champion (with Tsukune as the high-cost dynasty character) would likely be on the mark if as champion he was in the conflict deck, as (among other reasons) a five-fate conflict card would be difficult to surprise people with.

I not optimistic that we'll see him at all at this point, I fear, but if he gets an arrow to the head shot by Hotaru on Wednesday I'm calling shenanigans.

1 minute ago, Suzume Tomonori said:

That was the point I was making: your conjecture that he could be a low-cost champion (with Tsukune as the high-cost dynasty character) would likely be on the mark if as champion he was in the conflict deck, as (among other reasons) a five-fate conflict card would be difficult to surprise people with.

I not optimistic that we'll see him at all at this point, I fear, but if he gets an arrow to the head shot by Hotaru on Wednesday I'm calling shenanigans.

If he gets shot by an arrow, it will probably by Shinjo AllenIverson (or whatever).

Though at least we know in advance she's into archery.

I would be okay with him getting a mortal would helping Isawa Tadaka take down a tainted Tsuke in the opening fiction, but as I've said before, the champion bait-and-switch (Arasou...psyche! Toturi!) is fine once, but twice just makes me wonder why they bothered with the opening blurb at all.

Someone posted in the discord a link to at that appears to be a group picture of the clan champs. Definitely has Tsukune on it. I'm pretty new to the game and lore, but is it possible if something happened and Ujimitsu takes the fall for it, could the elemental masters force him to step down as champion?

21 minutes ago, Zesu Shadaban said:

Someone posted in the discord a link to at that appears to be a group picture of the clan champs. Definitely has Tsukune on it. I'm pretty new to the game and lore, but is it possible if something happened and Ujimitsu takes the fall for it, could the elemental masters force him to step down as champion?

If the Soul of Shiba is still a thing. I have a hard time imagining that they could just force him out, without a serious reason.

19 minutes ago, Suzume Tomonori said:

I would be okay with him getting a mortal would helping Isawa Tadaka take down a tainted Tsuke in the opening fiction, but as I've said before, the champion bait-and-switch (Arasou...psyche! Toturi!) is fine once, but twice just makes me wonder why they bothered with the opening blurb at all.

I agree twice is too many

but I still think its possible Ujimitsu will keep his job and life for awhile

Regardless of what ended up on the banners in France.. Tsukune being the 5 cost unique and not champ breaks precedent, but the Phoenix do that already with their unique leadership structure.

47 minutes ago, Kuni Katsuyoshi said:

Tsukune being the 5 cost unique and not champ breaks precedent, but the Phoenix do that already with their unique leadership structure.

Which is not really reflected in the Personality cards we've seen, unless Isawa Glowyeyes is in Tsuke's old spot...

And which I am okay with. Trying to juggle six "champion"-grade cards was never really all that fun.

31 minutes ago, Shiba Gunichi said:

Which is not really reflected in the Personality cards we've seen, unless Isawa Glowyeyes is in Tsuke's old spot...

And which I am okay with. Trying to juggle six "champion"-grade cards was never really all that fun.

Yeah, I just assumed they will trickle the masters out in Dynasty packs.

wainting to find out what is up the Phoenix is starting to get painful.

I really want see how they handle the pacifist/inquisitor dichotomy.

Hey all, I usually don't post here, but thought I might throw this out:

The official German L5R website has gone up and they have a page that links to descriptions for each of the great clans (link). So far only Crane and Lion have an actual description, but you can already see the mons of the other clans in order. The first four clans match the order of the previews so far, so it seems possible that the last three clans will also follow this order.

According to this source, it seems that Scorpion will be next, followed by Phoenix and Unicorn.

I am aware that a preview card for the Phoenix clan was posted recently on another forum, so I can't tell how reliable this information really is.

14 minutes ago, ShiraHata said:

Hey all, I usually don't post here, but thought I might throw this out:

The official German L5R website has gone up and they have a page that links to descriptions for each of the great clans (link). So far only Crane and Lion have an actual description, but you can already see the mons of the other clans in order. The first four clans match the order of the previews so far, so it seems possible that the last three clans will also follow this order.

According to this source, it seems that Scorpion will be next, followed by Phoenix and Unicorn.

I am aware that a preview card for the Phoenix clan was posted recently on another forum, so I can't tell how reliable this information really is.

In the L5R Live! today they specifically said Phoenix was up next, which is why they spoiled the Phoenix card.

Just now, Isawa Kioshi said:

In the L5R Live! today they specifically said Phoenix was up next, which is why they spoiled the Phoenix card.

Alright, my bad. I wasn't aware of that.

3 minutes ago, ShiraHata said:

Alright, my bad. I wasn't aware of that.

Yeah no worries. I just like to nip potential rumors in the bud before they get out

Just now, Isawa Kioshi said:

Yeah no worries. I just like to nip potential rumors in the bud before they get out

Rumors, heresy... it's all about the same, right?

9 hours ago, ShiraHata said:

Hey all, I usually don't post here, but thought I might throw this out:

The official German L5R website has gone up and they have a page that links to descriptions for each of the great clans (link). So far only Crane and Lion have an actual description, but you can already see the mons of the other clans in order. The first four clans match the order of the previews so far, so it seems possible that the last three clans will also follow this order.

According to this source, it seems that Scorpion will be next, followed by Phoenix and Unicorn.

I am aware that a preview card for the Phoenix clan was posted recently on another forum, so I can't tell how reliable this information really is.

They've updated the graphic, Phoenix, Unicorn, Scorpion. So there you go, Purple Ponies, you're not dead last!

Updated Clan Mons

29 minutes ago, OokamiGauru said:

They've updated the graphic, Phoenix, Unicorn, Scorpion. So there you go, Purple Ponies, you're not dead last!

Updated Clan Mons

But now Dragon and Crab are in the wrong order - and since those are already released in order of Dragon -> Crab it proves the theory false...

Although I still fully expect it to be Phoenix -> Unicorn -> Scorpion.

19 hours ago, Mon no Oni said:

I think Ujimitsu will probably be a conflict Character, which would be a call back to his wonky mechanics. Probably not as big as the other Champions, to compensate for the surprise factor, and that's why Tsukune will be there as THE big dynasty character to make up for that.

As I said in the other thread where we talked about this, this doesn't explain why FFG would use Tsukune's art instead of Ujimitsu's for the clan banners and marketing purpose. If Ujimitsu was the champion, even if he was a conflict character, there would be no reason to not use it for those marketing banners.

12 hours ago, Kuni Katsuyoshi said:

If the Soul of Shiba is still a thing. I have a hard time imagining that they could just force him out, without a serious reason.

If the Soul of Shiba is kept, it could be changed, but in the original lore (which is all we have concerning the Phoenix currently), before the Scorpion Clan Coup and quite a few years after, the Soul of Shiba wasn't anchored directly to the champion, but to the ancestral sword.

41 minutes ago, KerenRhys said:

As I said in the other thread where we talked about this, this doesn't explain why FFG would use Tsukune's art instead of Ujimitsu's for the clan banners and marketing purpose. If Ujimitsu was the champion, even if he was a conflict character, there would be no reason to not use it for those marketing banners.

If the Soul of Shiba is kept, it could be changed, but in the original lore (which is all we have concerning the Phoenix currently), before the Scorpion Clan Coup and quite a few years after, the Soul of Shiba wasn't anchored directly to the champion, but to the ancestral sword.

True

but the Soul chooses, not the Masters

It's possible Uji-kun doesn't HAVE a card yet. Which is why he's wasn't on the banners, but that's just me speculating.

I'm certain it will be Tsukune - there is no reason they wouldn't have artwork for champions.

My only question is - what ability merits being a 4/4 for 5???

I wonder if she will either not bow on defense resolution, or claim a ring if she wins defense.

7 hours ago, shosuko said:

But now Dragon and Crab are in the wrong order - and since those are already released in order of Dragon -> Crab it proves the theory false...

Although I still fully expect it to be Phoenix -> Unicorn -> Scorpion.

Totally didn't catch that! Maybe it's because I had just re-read the Dragon fiction.