From :http://www.crabclan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=9846

Dishonor is starting to come together, guys!

Nice "choice"...

Oh boy. econ or honor. I don't want to be on the other end of this card.

Just now, blackheartz said:

Nice "choice"...

You know, like Sophie's Choice.

Man I'm really not wanting to face off against Crab at this point.

That Yasuki looks so smug. As smug as a cow, as I read recently.

choose "an opponent" .... yummy, multiplayer

Neat card, although I'm not sure how useful it really is.

As an aside, has anyone noticed that the honor losses are almost always a choice? Watch Commander, Intimidating Hida, and this card all give your opponent control over whether or not they lose honor. Seems like a conscious design choice to me.

1 minute ago, Casanunda said:

Neat card, although I'm not sure how useful it really is.

As an aside, has anyone noticed that the honor losses are almost always a choice? Watch Commander, Intimidating Hida, and this card all give your opponent control over whether or not they lose honor. Seems like a conscious design choice to me.

I think Dishonor and honor's history as "NPE" strategies that were autolosses to certain types of clans (and auto wins to certain types of clans) is why they seem to have made this conscious decision that honor gain and loss will almost always be a decision point, rather than being forced down your throat.

26 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

That Yasuki looks so smug. As smug as a cow, as I read recently.

He's my hero.

Pretty dope card. After 40-50 games we got our first loss due to honor. In all fairness Crab was also up on province kills 2 to 1 and had commanding board presence, but it was cool to see honor actually matter as a win condition. This card should make going for dishonor wins much more viable.

It's also interesting from a lore standpoint. It's implying the Crab have the authority to recruit help from outside the clan. I wonder if they're recruiting peasants, samurai, or both.

Letting your opponent choose makes it considerably weaker. They choose what hurts them or benefits you the least so you can't exactly plan on getting the honor or fate when you need it. While it will certainly be a decent card for anyone looking to pursue honor/dishonor, the 3 influence eats up a lot of space for other actions that could be more impactful in conflicts. It does at least help your economy or give you extra honor to use for more cards. Overall it's still pretty good.

1 hour ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

That Yasuki looks so smug. As smug as a cow, as I read recently.

How are cows smug? I have never seen a cow and I thought "Man this cow looks smug".

0 cost annoy your opponent card, I love it.

I'm amused that not only do we have the two most obvious clans clearly annoyed, (Lion/Crane) but also a Dragon member.

50 minutes ago, Fumi said:

It's also interesting from a lore standpoint. It's implying the Crab have the authority to recruit help from outside the clan. I wonder if they're recruiting peasants, samurai, or both.

Levy can also be defined as a governmental tax or seizure of property. It's possible that Yasuki is just demanding rice, jade, koku etc. That said it's also possible they are asking for additional troops. That smug look on his face makes me think that the emperor is giving him the authority to ask for these things so they can't really argue.

Not to pile too many Conquest comparison on this game, but it reminds me of all those annoying Dark Eldar events that said do something annoying or do something annoying. Though specifically this reminds me of Raid, which was an effective disruption card. The two fate swing during a conflict basically means you can't play all the conflict cards you planned on using and I turn on conflict cards I couldn't otherwise afford. It only will work if you are also pressuring dishonor which puts them in that rock and a hard place type situation. I really like it.

49 minutes ago, Fumi said:

It's also interesting from a lore standpoint. It's implying the Crab have the authority to recruit help from outside the clan. I wonder if they're recruiting peasants, samurai, or both.

I could be mistaken, but I thought the Crab always recieved a certain percentage of all the Jade mined in the Empire.

Beyond that and the 'iron crane' trope, I bet a 'levy' would be more likely reasources than personnel.

Fits the card, 'gimme your stuff or lose honor for not helping'.

4 minutes ago, phillos said:

Levy can also be defined as a governmental tax or seizure of property. It's possible that Yasuki is just demanding rice, jade, koku etc. That said it's also possible they are asking for additional troops. That smug look on his face makes me think that the emperor is giving him the authority to ask for these things so they can't really argue.

After a quick trip to wiktionary, I see you're right. But even if it's just rice, it's still an interesting departure from old canon.

3 minutes ago, Kuni Katsuyoshi said:

I could be mistaken, but I thought the Crab always recieved a certain percentage of all the Jade mined in the Empire.

True. But it feels to me like if they were talking about jade in particular, the card would have mentioned it. Jade is a very interest-grabbing material, both in setting and out of it.

34 minutes ago, Mirith said:

How are cows smug? I have never seen a cow and I thought "Man this cow looks smug".

"That's a very nice stack of fate you have there. Shame if something were to happen to it."

It's free. At worst it's a two honor swing and an honor is roughly equivalent to a card. Kewl beanz

2 minutes ago, Fumi said:

After a quick trip to wiktionary, I see you're right. But even if it's just rice, it's still an interesting departure from old canon.

True. But it feels to me like if they were talking about jade in particular, the card would have mentioned it. Jade is a very interest-grabbing material, both in setting and out of it.

"That's a very nice stack of fate you have there. Shame if something were to happen to it."

What we really need to know if it is situational or permanent.

If it reflects the current story, It matches other times in Lore

If its a permanent thing, that WOULD be interesting to see how the other clans answer such a thing.

The lion probably wouldn't mind sending troops, but I can't see the more 'strapped' clans not pushing against it.

20 minutes ago, Kuni Katsuyoshi said:

What we really need to know if it is situational or permanent.

If it reflects the current story, It matches other times in Lore

If its a permanent thing, that WOULD be interesting to see how the other clans answer such a thing.

The lion probably wouldn't mind sending troops, but I can't see the more 'strapped' clans not pushing against it.

Well even at the best of times the other clans need the Shadowlands behind the wall. There are several clans that may even hate the crab that might still send Jade if nothing else.

Not to mention the Crab just showing up and taking stuff.

8 minutes ago, Devin-the-Poet said:

Well even at the best of times the other clans need the Shadowlands behind the wall. There are several clans that may even hate the crab that might still send Jade if nothing else.

Not to mention the Crab just showing up and taking stuff.

All true

But, I imagine it would be handled a bit differently than 'Crab take'.

Probably more 'Send X ...or else', else being poltical favor or prestige.

2 hours ago, Casanunda said:

Neat card, although I'm not sure how useful it really is.

As an aside, has anyone noticed that the honor losses are almost always a choice? Watch Commander, Intimidating Hida, and this card all give your opponent control over whether or not they lose honor. Seems like a conscious design choice to me.

It has always been a choice even in old L5R, granted earliest honorloss mechanic needs a dishonor target but "choose or loss" has been the template for much of old L5R. Early incarnation was to make someone dishonored first then make them eat the honorloss, but being able to seppuku makes dishonor very weak or when it dishonor a non samurai (can't seppuku), 3 Shame ( loss 7 honor ) makes it very powerful. The choice is a balance of having no setup targets but less powerful honor loss/standard action effects.

And its why most opponents hate dishonor, they are force to choose between two evil and yes both are still bad but somehow the fact that they decided on it leaves a very bitter taste on their tongue.

I love this card. It fully works for the Crab, but I hope additional, similar cards will be released in the future along the lines of "Cost 1 Fate; choose a Player, that player returns a character to their hand or gives you XX"

The comma after "opponent" bothers me. I'd have gone with a period and let it be two sentences.