It's a neat little card.

Put Togashi Kazue on this guy = infinite fate production

1 minute ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:

Put Togashi Kazue on this guy = infinite fate production

Get out of here!

Switch "engineer" for "courtier" and you could have yourself a Yasuki Daimyo. Love the economic support, and covert on Crab's best political challenge character.

A great card for any type of Crab deck.

Such a strong card. Great stuff!

THIS is what Crab needed!! Solid 3/3. Some people are going to talk about how it's still not as great as Doji Challenger but they continue to think DC's ability is good lol. Being covert with these stats is great, having the bonus fate ability is just a kicker.

With this AND Hiruma Yojimbo I see Crab being able to defend and possibly attack POL.

55 minutes ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:

Put Togashi Kazue on this guy = infinite fate production

So one Kazue and three wanderer and three let go. D. Crab go!

Thanks to everyone who came out and listened. Was a great time!

It seems weird that he has covert with that picture and engineer trait.

I'm not quite sure he will used that often in a Crab deck since he doesn't necessarily play into the sacrifice playstyle. He does give you covert, at a cost of 4, so that cannot be underestimated. His ability to give you more cash is nice so he might simply be paired up with the Steadfast Witch Hunter to get the most out of it.

I think he's the one that built the tunnels for the Nezumi. Thematically= Sneak attack, "aquire" their supplies. Wish he was a Hiruma!

21 minutes ago, HirumaShigure said:

I think he's the one that built the tunnels for the Nezumi. Thematically= Sneak attack, "aquire" their supplies. Wish he was a Hiruma!

The art could have depicted his ability far better that what we were given.

3 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

The art could have depicted his ability far better that what we were given.

True, plus he looks like a Yoritomo accountant!

Wait a minute! Just reread the card: this guy IS a Yoritomo accountant! Aka: pirate

He just stole that map from the Lion Staging Ground!

(No offense to Yoritomo Accountants)

Not only did the Crab get the Nezumi, we get the Mantis too?

1 hour ago, Kubernes said:

It seems weird that he has covert with that picture and engineer trait.

I'm not quite sure he will used that often in a Crab deck since he doesn't necessarily play into the sacrifice playstyle. He does give you covert, at a cost of 4, so that cannot be underestimated. His ability to give you more cash is nice so he might simply be paired up with the Steadfast Witch Hunter to get the most out of it.

The Crab are well known for their fortifications and traps. I believe Covert ties into him building trap/defenses such as pit falls. Sure, you don't see it in the art, but it's there in the theme. Kaiu are the engineers of the Crab, building fortifications and traps.

Ironically - I think his best use is covert in POL attack. If you can remove 1 of their characters before the fight starts, and also remove their first action with Kisada, and Shuichi's 3 pol + something like the Watch Commander and a few supporting characters, Crab MIGHT be able to out-talk the Crane once!

52 minutes ago, HirumaShigure said:

Wait a minute! Just reread the card: this guy IS a Yoritomo accountant! Aka: pirate

He just stole that map from the Lion Staging Ground!

(No offense to Yoritomo Accountants)

Not only did the Crab get the Nezumi, we get the Mantis too?

I'd take the nezumi over the Mantis any day(they smell like liquor, fish guts, and poor life choices)

2 minutes ago, Kuni Katsuyoshi said:

I'd take the nezumi over the Mantis any day(they smell like liquor, fish guts, and poor life choices)

I mean, I've heard from several sources that rats are actually very clean creatures. The same is rarely said about pirates...

6 hours ago, shosuko said:

THIS is what Crab needed!! Solid 3/3. Some people are going to talk about how it's still not as great as Doji Challenger but they continue to think DC's ability is good lol. Being covert with these stats is great, having the bonus fate ability is just a kicker.

Worse than Doji Challenger, therefore unplayable Just like all of the other cards that are not Doji Challenger.

Whole game should just be Doji Challenger on Doji Challenger with Doji Challenger conflict decks.

But seriously, if he gets his ability only once he is really worse than Doji Challenger xd

3 minutes ago, BordOne said:

Worse than Doji Challenger, therefore unplayable Just like all of the other cards that are not Doji Challenger.

Whole game should just be Doji Challenger on Doji Challenger with Doji Challenger conflict decks.

But seriously, if he gets his ability only once he is really worse than Doji Challenger xd

You don't think Covert is good eh? I'd say Covert > Doji Challenger alone, if you get 1 fate that is gravy.

Need proof? Kaiu Shuichi attacks, uses Covert to not allow Doji Challenger to defend. Done.

4 minutes ago, shosuko said:

You don't think Covert is good eh? I'd say Covert > Doji Challenger alone, if you get 1 fate that is gravy. Need proof? Kaiu Shuichi attacks, uses Covert to not allow Doji Challenger to defend. Done.

So you won 1 conflict and lost 1. Now imagine Doji Challenger attacking first, pulling him in and winning the conflict leaving you with 1 - 0, doesn't work out so well does it?

Don't misunderstand me covert is strong but you seem to heavily undervalue challengers ability.

Oh and if there is no holding in play this card is trash compared to her :>

Yeah lol Doji Challenger pulls Kaiu Shuichi into the conflict... giving me 3 more mil or pol... and then I lose? How far ahead do you think Crane are for saving 1 fate on a 3/3 character? lol

1 minute ago, BordOne said:

Oh and if there is no holding in play

Crab

@shosuko yeah 3 strength while attacking wins with 3 strength while defending. In your original example you didn't consider any other cards to be in play so I didn't consider any in mine as well.

@BayushiCroy Which is why this card is not trash still isn't better than doji challenger at least in my opinion

14 minutes ago, BordOne said:

@shosuko yeah 3 strength while attacking wins with 3 strength while defending. In your original example you didn't consider any other cards to be in play so I didn't consider any in mine as well.

@BayushiCroy Which is why this card is not trash still isn't better than doji challenger at least in my opinion

Worst... logic... ever... lol

It's impossible for it to be just 2 cards. If it is just Doji Challenger and Kaiu Shuichi - then your stronghold is worthless, while mine gives me +1 POL and I win.

Seriously though - how far ahead do you think 1 fate is getting you? Especially considering things like Hiruma Yojimbo, Doomed Shugenja, and many more... Honored General is a 6/4 for only 4 cost, and Akodo Gunso is a 4/3 for 2 cost if you can win a quick battle. Why do you think Doji Challenger is so great? lol

13 minutes ago, shosuko said:

Worst... logic... ever... lol

It's impossible for it to be just 2 cards. If it is just Doji Challenger and Kaiu Shuichi - then your stronghold is worthless, while mine gives me +1 POL and I win.

Seriously though - how far ahead do you think 1 fate is getting you? Especially considering things like Hiruma Yojimbo, Doomed Shugenja, and many more... Honored General is a 6/4 for only 4 cost, and Akodo Gunso is a 4/3 for 2 cost if you can win a quick battle. Why do you think Doji Challenger is so great? lol.

Shosuko you are a cool dude, why are you getting so easily irritated today?

You were talking about two cards so I was talking about two as well(I don't count anything else), the example you gave is not where covert is strong at all - it is most beneficial in late game when attacking the stronghold or during the last challenge for the turn, not when there are two dudes looking at each other.

Did you play the game already? I didn't ever see a opinion about Doji Challengers ability being weak. I also don't think it is weaker than covert. Where does it come from?

The difference of 1 fate is that of winning and losing. If I get a character with exact same stats and similar level of utility but 1 fate cheaper I will always go for it over more expensive choice.

Honored General is 5/3 nearly vanilla body, Akodo gunso is 2/1 the turn you buy him(and that is usually the only turn u see him).

Doji challenger has stats of a 4 cost character, thats why.

The ability is to pull more strength against you. Unless someone has a seriously unbalanced character out, like one of the neutral Imperial cards, you are losing your advantage using the ability. I will laugh when I win a conflict because a Doji Challenger pulled another of my characters in for me. 1 fate can be important, but so is 1 action. When I would want to move any other character to the conflict, and you bring them in for me lol.