Some new questions about the expansion of Greyjoy and Martell

By xqg5009, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

We added Greyjoy and Martell into play last night and some new questions came up.

1.The "kingsmoot " is an interesting new rule. But do new titles replace the old titles completely?? eg. the kingsguard wont have the redirect ability anymore?? And, if it takes place of the old titles, does the relationship between old titles still stand?? If yes, we find some weird situation such as one who has 2 or 3 titles cannot attack the other who also has multiple titles, because some titles of one player's support the one of the other's.

2. we found some new cards in the expansion and we dont know where we should put them into. They usually have multiple house icons, some of them have no house icons and some others have all the icons of the 6 great houses, but they origionally were in the deck of Greyjoy or Martell. For example, Brannie of the Tarth has both wolf icon and buck icon, but in the text area there is a faint buck icon(like a watermark). And "bay of Ice" is a location, it has all the house icons at its right.

3.in Greyjoy deck, some weird cards (eg. shadowcat) have a "S 0"on their cost place. What does this S mean??

xqg5009 said:

1.The "kingsmoot " is an interesting new rule. But do new titles replace the old titles completely??

From the Kingsmoot rules:

"These title cards are used in place of the title cards and title abilities found in the AGoT LCG Core Set"

"In place of" would mean that the Core Set titles are not part of a Kingsmoot game. And if they are not part of the game, their effects are gone, too - including all of the Opposes/Supports relationships. Remember that the game pieces represent the cards and have no actual properties of their own. Heck, most people don't even bother with the pieces.

If you are playing with the Kingsmoot titles, forget the other titles completely.

xqg5009 said:

2. we found some new cards in the expansion and we dont know where we should put them into. They usually have multiple house icons, some of them have no house icons and some others have all the icons of the 6 great houses, but they origionally were in the deck of Greyjoy or Martell. For example, Brannie of the Tarth has both wolf icon and buck icon, but in the text area there is a faint buck icon(like a watermark). And "bay of Ice" is a location, it has all the house icons at its right.

Many of the cards in the expansions are there to appeal to people who play other Houses. You can play the decks "out of the package" as you please, or you can take out the cards you would pay a gold penalty on. You can play a neutral card or a card with two House affiliations other than Greyjoy in the Greyjoy deck if you like; just keep the OOH gold penalty rules in mind. They don't "belong" anywhere in particular. You can put them in whatever deck you like.

If a card has more than one icon, they belong to all the Houses they have icons for and can be played in any of those decks without paying a gold penalty.

xqg5009 said:

3.in Greyjoy deck, some weird cards (eg. shadowcat) have a "S 0"on their cost place. What does this S mean??

Read this .

Ktom said:

"These title cards are used in place of the title cards and title abilities found in the AGoT LCG Core Set"

Yea, that was the first thing i thought. but later i found problem when i saw this :

" The Crow's Eye" : after u win an unopposed challenge, claim 1 additional power for ur house.

Assume what u said is true, then how can i define an unopposed challenge if the support/oppose relationships no longer exist???

xqg5009 said:

how can i define an unopposed challenge if the support/oppose relationships no longer exist???

Core Set rulebook, page 15: "Unopposed Challenges"

During the “Resolve” step of any challenge, if
the attacker wins the challenge, and the defender
had a total STR of 0 (or no defending characters),
then the attacker claims 1 bonus power for his
or her House from the power pool. This bonus
power is in addition to all other effects of winning
a challenge.

Don't mix this with multiplayer titles rules.

xqg5009 said:

" The Crow's Eye" : after u win an unopposed challenge, claim 1 additional power for ur house.

Assume what u said is true, then how can i define an unopposed challenge if the support/oppose relationships no longer exist???

As Rogue said, you'd define an "unopposed" challenge the way it is defined in the rule book: one in which the attacker wins and the defender counted no STR. The same way you would in a 1-on-1 game.

Sorry i mixed this with the titles. So as you said, in this case, i can get totally 6 powers if i win 3 unopposed challenges???

xqg5009 said:

Sorry i mixed this with the titles. So as you said, in this case, i can get totally 6 powers if i win 3 unopposed challenges???

Correct. Pretty cool, huh?

Of course, this can end up as a liability in the Kingsmoot game since the winner is not the first person to 15 power, but rather the first one to get all 6 titles - or who has the most titles when someone reaches 15 power.