New Player's questions

By erlucius90, in Imperial Assault Skirmish

Greetings!
My name is Emanuele, i'm an italian Star Wars fanboy and i've been playing Imperial Assault for a couple of months (mostly campaign, but i really love skirmish aswell).
I've been reading a lot this forum's threads to inform myself about the metas and mechanics clarifications before deciding to sign up and join the community! ;)

I'll go straight to the point, there are a few questions about mechanics i'd like you to confirm and a skirmish list i'd like to show ya!
1) 0-0-0 (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/BT-1 and 0-0-0/0-0-0.png)
Can i use Invasive procedure with no one standing adiacent to me just to focus myself? (i'd say yes but a friend of mine complied)
2) Lord of the Sith (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/Core/Lord of the Sith.png)
This card has received many complies and i personally donno why. Anyways, the question is: If i play the card and afterwards i kill someone with Vader, do i get an extra action or does the card grant bonus
actions only for the kills counted before playing it?
3) Focused on the Kill (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/Jawa Scavenger/Focused on the Kill.png)
If IG-88 is stunned, does he gain 2 movement points at the start of his activation? (i'd say yes, but doubt is always behind the corner)
4) Terminal Network (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/Terminal Network.png)
If R2-D2 gets killed after his card is being played, does the effect of terminal network still take place?
5) C-3P0 (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/C-3P0.png)
This is a mechanic question: If the imperial plays Lure of the Dark Side on the figure adiacent to C-3P0 and the figure declare an attack on him, is C-3P0 still able to reroll the defense die?
6) Single Purpose (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/Single Purpose.png)
Can i play this card to use "Brutality" twice? (i'd say no because of attacks limitations but i wait for confirms)

SKIRMISH LIST
Important Note: This list is being realized with possessed material only. I actually own EVERYTHING (from Core+Wave 1 up to Wave 9) except Jabba's Realm + Wave 8 because it hasan't been released in Italy yet
(SIGH :().
Deployment:
[18] Darth Vader
[6] BT-1

[8] Heavy Stormtrooper [Elite]
[2] Imperial Officer
[5] Probe Droid [Elite]
[1] Zillo Technique

Command:
[1] Ballistics Matrix
[0] Devotion
[0] Element of Surprise
[0] Fleet Footed
[3] Force Lightning
[3] Lord of the Sith
[3] Lure of the Dark Side
[1] Negation
[2] Parting Blow
[0] Planning
[0] Rally
[1] Shared Experience
[0] Take Initiative
[1] Tough Luck
[0] Urgency

I'd like to get your opinion on this! I've made a few variations of this list, if you want i can show them aswell!
And yeah, i know that Vader atm is hella weak and he becomes avaiable with Driven by Hatred, but for god sake he's my best character along with Ahsoka, i WANT to use him!
I have a trooper list aswell for more competitive games, but i like playing for fun with my friends as for now!

I also have Vassal installed, no one i know is currently playing there, so if anyone is interested i'd be very pleased!

Thank you guys in anticipation!

Edited by erlucius90

First off welcome, and good hunting!

I'll take a shot:

1) 0-0-0 (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/BT-1 and 0-0-0/0-0-0.png)
Can i use Invasive procedure with no one standing adiacent to me just to focus myself? (i'd say yes but a friend of mine complied)

No, the ability is contingent on having a figure be adjacent. (personal interpretation, so I could be proved wrong)

Courtesy of @a1bert: Invasive Procedure can be thus always performed (but only once per activation due to being a special action - unless Single Purpose). If there are not any adjacent figures, that part of the effect is not performed. However, if there is an adjacent figure, whether hostile or friendly, that part must be performed.


2) Lord of the Sith (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/Core/Lord of the Sith.png)
This card has received many complies and i personally donno why. Anyways, the question is: If i play the card and afterwards i kill someone with Vader, do i get an extra action or does the card grant bonus actions only for the kills counted before playing it?

Since the only timing stipulation is "during your (Vader's) activation", I would say that as long as the card is played during vader's activation, all kills, before or after, would get bonus actions. Note that actions do not mean attacks, so the 1 attack per activation rule still applies (brutality aside).


3) Focused on the Kill (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/Jawa Scavenger/Focused on the Kill.png)
If IG-88 is stunned, does he gain 2 movement points at the start of his activation? (i'd say yes, but doubt is always behind the corner)

Yes, you would still gain the 2 movement points and they would be added to the movement pool for that activation. That said, IG-88 would not be able to access the movement pool until the stunned condition is removed.


4) Terminal Network (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/Terminal Network.png)
If R2-D2 gets killed after his card is being played, does the effect of terminal network still take place?

Based on the timing stipulation of "until the end of the round", I would say yes, RD-D2 does not have to be "alive" for the already played card to take effect.


5) C-3P0 (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/C-3P0.png)
This is a mechanic question: If the imperial plays Lure of the Dark Side on the figure adiacent to C-3P0 and the figure declare an attack on him, is C-3P0 still able to reroll the defense die?

Yes, 3-P0 is still the defender of the attack, and can use cower to re-roll. It doesn't matter the allegiance of the figure doing the attack.


6) Single Purpose (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/Single Purpose.png)
Can i play this card to use "Brutality" twice? (i'd say no because of attacks limitations but i wait for confirms)

No, excerpt from Skirmish guide:

Attacking: Figures can only use one of their actions to attack

per activation. This includes using special actions that involve

performing one or more attacks (such as the Nexu’s “Pounce”

or Darth Vader’s “Brutality”).

Hope that helps, and others please feel free to correct me if I have misspoke (typed).

Edited by wannabepudge
info update
5 minutes ago, wannabepudge said:

First off welcome, and good hunting!

I'll take a shot:

1) 0-0-0 (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/BT-1 and 0-0-0/0-0-0.png)
Can i use Invasive procedure with no one standing adiacent to me just to focus myself? (i'd say yes but a friend of mine complied)

No, the ability is contingent on having a figure be adjacent. (personal interpretation, so I could be proved wrong)


2) Lord of the Sith (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/Core/Lord of the Sith.png)
This card has received many complies and i personally donno why. Anyways, the question is: If i play the card and afterwards i kill someone with Vader, do i get an extra action or does the card grant bonus actions only for the kills counted before playing it?

Since the only timing stipulation is "during your (Vader's) activation", I would say that as long as the card is played during vader's activation, all kills, before or after, would get bonus actions. Note that actions do not mean attacks, so the 1 attack per activation rule still applies (brutality aside).


3) Focused on the Kill (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/Jawa Scavenger/Focused on the Kill.png)
If IG-88 is stunned, does he gain 2 movement points at the start of his activation? (i'd say yes, but doubt is always behind the corner)

Yes, you would still gain the 2 movement points and they would be added to the movement pool for that activation. That said, IG-88 would not be able to access the movement pool until the stunned condition is removed.


4) Terminal Network (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/Terminal Network.png)
If R2-D2 gets killed after his card is being played, does the effect of terminal network still take place?

Based on the timing stipulation of "until the end of the round", I would say yes, RD-D2 does not have to be "alive" for the already played card to take effect.


5) C-3P0 (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/C-3P0.png)
This is a mechanic question: If the imperial plays Lure of the Dark Side on the figure adiacent to C-3P0 and the figure declare an attack on him, is C-3P0 still able to reroll the defense die?

Yes, 3-P0 is still the defender of the attack, and can use cower to re-roll. It doesn't matter the allegiance of the figure doing the attack.


6) Single Purpose (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/Single Purpose.png)
Can i play this card to use "Brutality" twice? (i'd say no because of attacks limitations but i wait for confirms)

Yes you can. Brutality is a Special action so the rules stated on the card take priority to the rules in the rule book. So since Single Purpose allows you to use a Special Action twice, then Brutality fits that description.

Hope that helps, and others please feel free to correct me if I have misspoke (typed).

6. Brutality is an attack and cannot be used twice with single purpose.

As for the list, I have not been able to be competitive in lists with fewer than 6 deployments. Vader is currently hard to make a competitive group around given his high cost and the skirmish rule change with Jabba's Realm to make the points be counted per figure rather than per deployment card.

For the command cards, a lot of the cards are very specific to an individual figure. If you lose that figure the cards become moot. I'd try and pick some cards that can be more broadly applied. The caveat to that is that a lot of them are specific to Vader who you are expecting to be around for at least a couple rounds. Shared Experience can only be used with the probe droid, since BT self focuses on each attack, so i think that is an easy choice to replace.

Those are my initial thoughts.

21 minutes ago, TheUnsullied said:

6. Brutality is an attack and cannot be used twice with single purpose.

Brutality is not an attack in and of itself, it is a special action that allows you to perform 2 attacks, each targeting a different figure.

My logic:

Figures can only perform 1 attack per activation unless a Deployment card or command card state otherwise.

Special actions can only be used once per activation unless a deployment card or command card state otherwise.

Brutality is a special action that can only be used once per activation based on the deployment card's wording.

Single Purpose allows a figure to use a special action twice per activation.

Since Brutality is not an attack, but a special action granting 2 attacks targeting different figures, I see no reason why Single Purpose cannot be used for Brutality.

Touche

Edited by wannabepudge
5 minutes ago, wannabepudge said:

Brutality is not an attack in and of itself, it is a special action that allows you to perform 2 attacks, each targeting a different figure.

My logic:

Figures can only perform 1 attack per activation unless a Deployment card or command card state otherwise.

Special actions can only be used once per activation unless a deployment card or command card state otherwise.

Brutality is a special action that can only be used once per activation based on the deployment card's wording.

Single Purpose allows a figure to use a special action twice per activation.

Since Brutality is not an attack, but a special action granting 2 attacks targeting different figures, I see no reason why Single Purpose cannot be used for Brutality.

Brutality has the Attack keyword, so multiple actions with the attack keyword cannot be used in the same activation.

6 minutes ago, Fightwookies said:

Brutality has the Attack keyword, so multiple actions with the attack keyword cannot be used in the same activation.

With that logic, you wouldn't be able to perform 2 attacks with Brutality either.

Found the attack definition that proves both @TheUnsullied & @Fightwookies right. Amended my original post.

Edited by wannabepudge
incorrect info
2 minutes ago, wannabepudge said:

With that logic, you wouldn't be able to perform 2 attacks with Brutality either.

The attack keyword is inside the special action, therefore it's Brutality that makes you strike twice instead of once, brutality costs just 1 action, but after using it you can't attack anymore.
This is how i interpretated the rule, but still i wanted to ask because there are some nasty nodes

Just now, erlucius90 said:

The attack keyword is inside the special action, therefore it's Brutality that makes you strike twice instead of once, brutality costs just 1 action, but after using it you can't attack anymore.
This is how i interpretated the rule, but still i wanted to ask because there are some nasty nodes

I edited my original post as I was proved wrong. The attack explanation from the Skirmish guide uses Vader's Brutality as an example.

30 minutes ago, wannabepudge said:

First off welcome, and good hunting!

I'll take a shot:

1) 0-0-0 (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/BT-1 and 0-0-0/0-0-0.png)
Can i use Invasive procedure with no one standing adiacent to me just to focus myself? (i'd say yes but a friend of mine complied)

No, the ability is contingent on having a figure be adjacent. (personal interpretation, so I could be proved wrong

That's where i'm unsure, because the condition keyword is Focus, not become focused. As stated by rules, become focused applies even if you deal no damage, and Invasive Procedure doesn't require you to target someone, it just states an adiacent figure suffers, so you could basically spend an action to activate the skill just to become focused?

29 minutes ago, TheUnsullied said:

6. Brutality is an attack and cannot be used twice with single purpose.

Brutality contains at least one attack, and non-heroes (everyone in skirmish) can only perform one action that contains at least one attack during their activation. Any number of attacks can be performed from abilities that are not actions, and the action containing at least one attack can perform any number of attacks. An counts towards the one-attack-action if it contains at least one attack.

Assault removes the only-one-action-containing-at-least-one-attack-per-activation restriction.

Edited by a1bert

Abilities do not have implied prerequisites apart from costs to activate the ability.

Invasive Procedure can be thus always performed (but only once per activation due to being a special action - unless Single Purpose). If there are not any adjacent figures, that part of the effect is not performed. However, if there is an adjacent figure, whether hostile or friendly, that part must be performed.

On 12.7.2017 at 3:06 PM, erlucius90 said:

I'll go straight to the point, there are a few questions about mechanics i'd like you to confirm and a skirmish list i'd like to show ya!

1) 0-0-0 (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/BT-1 and 0-0-0/0-0-0.png)
Can i use Invasive procedure with no one standing adiacent to me just to focus myself? (i'd say yes but a friend of mine complied)
2) Lord of the Sith (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/Core/Lord of the Sith.png)
This card has received many complies and i personally donno why. Anyways, the question is: If i play the card and afterwards i kill someone with Vader, do i get an extra action or does the card grant bonus
actions only for the kills counted before playing it?
3) Focused on the Kill (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/Jawa Scavenger/Focused on the Kill.png)
If IG-88 is stunned, does he gain 2 movement points at the start of his activation? (i'd say yes, but doubt is always behind the corner)
4) Terminal Network (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/Terminal Network.png)
If R2-D2 gets killed after his card is being played, does the effect of terminal network still take place?

1) Yes.

2) Consensus with the tech editor is that yes, all defeats during the activation count - someone has probably asked it, so e-mail confirmation from Todd is probably in the queue.

3) Yes, stunned only prevents moving the figure by spending movement points, not gaining them. You can also perform the Move action while stunned.

4) Yes.

Edited by a1bert

Thank you guys so much!!! I really appriciate all of this! :D

I've got one more theory to be confirmed:


Adrenaline.png

A regular Wookie has 11 health. He gets damaged by 9 and the player uses Adrenaline at the start of the round.
During the round, that wookie takes 4 more damage, going to 13 points of damage out of 16 (11) hit points.
At the end of the round, health goes back to 11, so the wookie dies, right? (i know it seems basic, i just wanna be sure, sorry :P)

6 minutes ago, a1bert said:

1) Yes.

2) Consensus with the tech editor is that yes, all defeats during the activation count - someone has probably asked it, so e-mail confirmation from Todd is probably in the queue.

3) Yes, stunned only prevents moving the figure by spending movement points, not gaining them. You can also perform the Move action while stunned.

4) Yes.

For 3), wouldn't performing the move action be voluntarily exiting your space?

1 minute ago, wannabepudge said:

For 3), wouldn't performing the move action be voluntarily exiting your space?

performing the move only adds movement points. you just wouldn't be able to use them until the stun is removed.

1 minute ago, Fightwookies said:

performing the move only adds movement points. you just wouldn't be able to use them until the stun is removed.

True, I'm done trying to multi-task this thread and work :P

24 minutes ago, erlucius90 said:

At the end of the round, health goes back to 11, so the wookie dies, right? (i know it seems basic, i just wanna be sure, sorry :P)

Yes. (And this is one of the few cases when a figure can have suffered damage over its Health.)

"5) C-3P0 (http://tabletopadmiral.com/static/main/images/R2-D2 and C-3PO/C-3P0.png)
This is a mechanic question: If the imperial plays Lure of the Dark Side on the figure adiacent to C-3P0 and the figure declare an attack on him, is C-3P0 still able to reroll the defense die?

Yes, 3-P0 is still the defender of the attack, and can use cower to re-roll. It doesn't matter the allegiance of the figure doing the attack."

Is this correct? From the FAQ (Rules Updates, p9): "Special Rules regarding attacks: Some abilities allow players to perform an attack with a hostile figure." .... "All non-neutral figures are considered hostile and no figures are considered friendly while performing this attack."

Cower: "While defending, while adjacent to a friendly figure, you may reroll 1 defense die."

The 'lured' figure is (temporarily) not a friendly - doesn't seem that Cower would apply to the attack on 3-PO

5 minutes ago, --JP said:

Is this correct? From the FAQ (Rules Updates, p9): "Special Rules regarding attacks: Some abilities allow players to perform an attack with a hostile figure." .... "All non-neutral figures are considered hostile and no figures are considered friendly while performing this attack."

Cower: "While defending, while adjacent to a friendly figure, you may reroll 1 defense die."

The 'lured' figure is (temporarily) not a friendly - doesn't seem that Cower would apply to the attack on 3-PO

You're right. The figure that is controlled is hostile to all figures and friendly to no figures and all figures are hostile towards it. Cower would need another friendly figure in the mix.

Edited by a1bert