Obstacle placement, is it beyond Distance 3 or 5 from side edge?

When I started playing the game I recall that it was beyond distance 3 from the side edges, that obstacles had to be placed.

But somehow in the tourny's I've played in lately, the notion has come up that it is beyond distance 5.

So which is it?

FYI: I do know that some missions specifically requires that obstacles is beyond distance 5 from the side edges, is this perhaps where the notion that its distance 5 comes from?

I feel old and tired right now, so I may confuse a thing or two, at this very moment of writting

You have two defined areas.

The "Setup" Area

and the "Play" Area.

The "Setup" Area is everything not within Distance 5 (because that is 12", or 1', of course) of the Short Edges...

Because this:

RRG, Page 10: "Setup Area "

Setup Area

The setup area is the region of the play area in which ships, squadrons, obstacle tokens, and objective tokens are placed during setup.

The setup area for a 300 fleet point game is the 3' x 4' area in the center of the play area.

If playing with a 3' x 3' play area, the entire play area is the setup area.

The setup area is marked by setup area markers. After setup is complete, the setup area markers are removed from the play area.

Further, Obstacles generally cannot be played within Distance 3 of the long edge . Because that is the "Deployment" area.

that can be modified for some objectives. But that's the standard to be modified from.

9 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

You have two defined areas.

The "Setup" Area

and the "Play" Area.

The "Setup" Area is everything not within Distance 5 (because that is 12", or 1', of course) of the Short Edges...

Because this:

RRG, Page 10: "Setup Area "

Setup Area

The setup area is the region of the play area in which ships, squadrons, obstacle tokens, and objective tokens are placed during setup.

The setup area for a 300 fleet point game is the 3' x 4' area in the center of the play area.

If playing with a 3' x 3' play area, the entire play area is the setup area.

The setup area is marked by setup area markers. After setup is complete, the setup area markers are removed from the play area.

Further, Obstacles generally cannot be played within Distance 3 of the long edge . Because that is the "Deployment" area.

that can be modified for some objectives. But that's the standard to be modified from.

Just now, Kiwi Rat said:

Obstacle placement, is it beyond Distance 3 or 5 from side edge?

When I started playing the game I recall that it was beyond distance 3 from the side edges, that obstacles had to be placed.

But somehow in the tourny's I've played in lately, the notion has come up that it is beyond distance 5.

So which is it?

The Second . Its the Second .

It was always the Second .

The only place it may have been Distance 3 from the side edges, is in the learn to play book, but I havn't checked that.

(RRG p.10) Place Obstacles : Starting with the second player, the players take turns choosing and placing six obstacles into the play area. Obstacles must be placed:

• within the setup area,
• beyond distance 3 of the edges of the play area,
• and beyond distance 1 of each other.

Or, in other words:

• beyond distance 5 of the short edges,
• beyond distance 3 of the long edges, and
• beyond distance 1 of each other.

...subject of course to modifications indicated in the objective card.

31 minutes ago, DiabloAzul said:

• beyond distance 5 of the short edges,
• beyond distance 3 of the long edges, and
• beyond distance 1 of each other.

...subject of course to modifications indicated in the objective card.

Why FFG couldn't have written it, in the above clear languge, is beyond me.

In a reflection, Im beginning to belive that the beyond distance 3, is the bad hangover lurking in the back of my mind, from the 3'x 4' days, playing 300pts, when I started to play the game.

But thanks Dras and Diablo for making it much more clear for me.

7 hours ago, Kiwi Rat said:

Why FFG couldn't have written it, in the above clear languge, is beyond me.

In a reflection, Im beginning to belive that the beyond distance 3, is the bad hangover lurking in the back of my mind, from the 3'x 4' days, playing 300pts, when I started to play the game.

But thanks Dras and Diablo for making it much more clear for me.

To be honest, at least this time FFG did a clear wording and ruling.

There is the Setup area and the play area. And there are definations for each of these. So other cards can use this words without an endless text all the time.

And one addition. This is the reason so many are playing the Fleet Ambush wrong.
Fleet Ambush says: beyond distance 5 of any edge of the setup zone . This means 2x5 distance from the short edges. I see it every time that the ambush zone is being done at distance 5 from the edges of the map. This way the ambush zone is way bigger than it should be.

It might sound strange to use the words Setup and Play area, but they are really well and make it easier when you know what they are.

23 hours ago, Kiwi Rat said:

Obstacle placement, is it beyond Distance 3 or 5 from side edge?

When I started playing the game I recall that it was beyond distance 3 from the side edges, that obstacles had to be placed.

But somehow in the tourny's I've played in lately, the notion has come up that it is beyond distance 5.

So which is it?

FYI: I do know that some missions specifically requires that obstacles is beyond distance 5 from the side edges, is this perhaps where the notion that its distance 5 comes from?

I feel old and tired right now, so I may confuse a thing or two, at this very moment of writting

Unless otherwise specified (such as in Intel Sweep, Minefields or Blockade Run, or on a non-standard table size like 3x3 or 9x3) you place obstacles in the default setup area. The setup area is the center 4ftx3ft section of the board, and is defined using the setup corner pieces.

The corners can be found by placing a marker (such as the L-corner setup pieces) at Distance 5 of the short table edges (the short sides) and distance 3 of the player's table edge (the long sides).

Take your full size distance ruler and an L-piece. Place the ruler so it sticks straight out from the short edge near a corner, and place the L-piece do it points one branch in towards the center of the board and the other towards the nearest long edge. Take the ruler and place it flush against the outside of the L-piece pointed at the opposite long edge, and slide the L-piece so that the furthest edge is at Distance 3 of the nearest long table edge. Repeat this for each other corner of the table and you should have two deployment areas. The setup area is the whole space between them that is beyond distance 5 of the short table edges.

On 12/7/2017 at 9:39 AM, Tokra said:

And one addition. This is the reason so many are playing the Fleet Ambush wrong.
Fleet Ambush says: beyond distance 5 of any edge of the setup zone . This means 2x5 distance from the short edges. I see it every time that the ambush zone is being done at distance 5 from the edges of the map. This way the ambush zone is way bigger than it should be.

It might sound strange to use the words Setup and Play area, but they are really well and make it easier when you know what they are.

Does that mean that the Ambush zone is 2' x 1' and not 4' x 1' ???

Of all the games I've attended in the Danish gaming community, it has always been setup as the latter, very nice to know for future games

3 minutes ago, Kiwi Rat said:

Does that mean that the Ambush zone is 2' x 1' and not 4' x 1' ???

Of all the games I've attended in the Danish gaming community, it has always been setup as the latter, very nice to know for future games

Yes.

The Ambush Zone is 2' x 1'.

Its very small.

Especially since you can't also place overlapping obstacles in that area.