1 minute ago, USCGrad90 said:

Can you physically roll zero dice? There is no roll, so I would say her ability does not trigger. Even if you get past that, there are no results or dice present, so there is nothing to match up to. If you did say you matched it, it would be to simply add a non-existing result, which is saying you add another nothing to nothing.

Physicality isn't a requirement, rolling zero dice is accepted in the rules.

Either way, I don't see why this is even a question, because no matter the answer, nothing is added.

EDIT: If the attempt is to some how produce a die from nothing, that doesn't work. A "blank" die result =/= a null result, it has its own inherent value.

9 minutes ago, ArbitraryNerd said:

Physicality isn't a requirement, rolling zero dice is accepted in the rules.

Either way, I don't see why this is even a question, because no matter the answer, nothing is added.

On Sunny's card, it mentions the "result on each of your dice" so that's why I mentioned not physically having dice present. I agree you can make the statement that you can roll zero dice, but there is not a physical result after. Any way you slice it, trigger or not, the result is nothing, which means nothing is added.

1 hour ago, USCGrad90 said:

On Sunny's card, it mentions the "result on each of your dice" so that's why I mentioned not physically having dice present. I agree you can make the statement that you can roll zero dice, but there is not a physical result after. Any way you slice it, trigger or not, the result is nothing, which means nothing is added.

No, the result is an empty set, which is different from nothing.

The condition for her ability is absolutely met when rolling 0 dice. The problem is what result gets added. I can state "each of my dice showed evade" and "each of my dice showed focus" and they're both true statements. Should I add one of each result (this would be hilarious, but she doesn't need it)? One result of my choosing (more likely)? Or will the ruling just be an exception to avoid dealing with it (also possible)?

1 hour ago, Polaritie said:

No, the result is an empty set, which is different from nothing.

The condition for her ability is absolutely met when rolling 0 dice. The problem is what result gets added. I can state "each of my dice showed evade" and "each of my dice showed focus" and they're both true statements. Should I add one of each result (this would be hilarious, but she doesn't need it)? One result of my choosing (more likely)? Or will the ruling just be an exception to avoid dealing with it (also possible)?

Yup. You roll. All your dice are the same. You can factually say "each of my dice shows a [result]" for any value of result, so you get to add that. The reason you can't add one die of everything is that you get only a single activation of the card. There is only one trigger, so you get only one use out of her. You pick what result you want to say all your dice are equal to and you add that.

19 hours ago, Polaritie said:

No, the result is an empty set, which is different from nothing.

The condition for her ability is absolutely met when rolling 0 dice. The problem is what result gets added. I can state "each of my dice showed evade" and "each of my dice showed focus" and they're both true statements. Should I add one of each result (this would be hilarious, but she doesn't need it)? One result of my choosing (more likely)? Or will the ruling just be an exception to avoid dealing with it (also possible)?

Please debate here:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/254643-sunny-bounder-and-0-dice-rolled/

I love how this thread Velcros up all the other arguments happening in the forum.

</sarcasm>

15 hours ago, USCGrad90 said:

I disagree. The card states that you evaluate the "result" of the roll, not what may be showing on the dice. Because there is no physical roll, the "result" does not exist. Because no result exists, there is nothing to match to be added.

Applying mathematical set theory is not necessarily applicable to a philosophical question.

Not quite. Sunny Bounder says "Once per round, after you roll or reroll dice, if you have the same result on each of your dice, you may add 1 matching result."

Sunny cares about "the result on [...] your dice." So Sunny rolls zero attack dice. You ask, "is the result on each of my dice a critical hit?" You answer yes, so you add a critical hit.

2 hours ago, Bascaria said:

Not quite. Sunny Bounder says "Once per round, after you roll or reroll dice, if you have the same result on each of your dice, you may add 1 matching result."

Sunny cares about "the result on [...] your dice." So Sunny rolls zero attack dice. You ask, "is the result on each of my dice a critical hit?" You answer yes, so you add a critical hit.

Please debate here:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/254643-sunny-bounder-and-0-dice-rolled/

25 minutes ago, USCGrad90 said:

But that answer is false, because there is no physical result without a physical roll. You try to pull that kind of logic in a tournament and the TO and other players are bound to laugh.

I would be tempted to hand you a dice tray, allow you to roll your 0 dice in it, and then get you to show me the result from the roll. There is nothing to show, so you get to match exactly that. Nothing.

I roll zero dice. All A are equal to B is a logically equivalent statement to no A is not equal to B. None of dice don't show crits. Thus I can add a crit.

You keep appealing to physical rolls, but I'm not sure what your point is. I will point at my zero dice and say "all of them are crits" and be correct. Zero dice is a perfectly valid number of dice for any game effect that does not explicitly call out zero dice as an invalid number of dice (e.g., C3PO)

If I were at a tournament where this might happen, I'd check with a TO beforehand, and if they disagreed (after listening to my argument) I'd be happy to accept that judgment. However, it is, at the very least, ambiguous enough to warrant addressing by the developers and simply calling my argument absurd because zero dice don't exist isn't going to convince me otherwise.

If a ship is equipped with a Pattern Analyzer and Inertial Dampeners, does the stress from the Inertial Dampeners happen before both the "Check Pilot Stress" and "Perform Action" steps, thereby nullifying the effect of Pattern Analyzer?

Does the use of Lightweight Frame count as a dice modification such that it would be affected by Omega Leader's ability?

For the upcoming Vaksai title, can you equip both Shield Upgrade and Pulsed Ray Shield to a Kihraxz Fighter? (I'm assuming no.)

How do "Can" and "Could" interact with "May"? Example, If a ship with Deadeye and a Synced Turret had both a focus token and a Target Lock on an enemy ship within Range 1 of Biggs Darklighter, could they choose NOT to use Deadeye such that they wouldn't be forced to shoot at Biggs?

6 minutes ago, cdalman said:

If a ship is equipped with a Pattern Analyzer and Inertial Dampeners, does the stress from the Inertial Dampeners happen before both the "Check Pilot Stress" and "Perform Action" steps, thereby nullifying the effect of Pattern Analyzer?

Does the use of Lightweight Frame count as a dice modification such that it would be affected by Omega Leader's ability?

For the upcoming Vaksai title, can you equip both Shield Upgrade and Pulsed Ray Shield to a Kihraxz Fighter? (I'm assuming no.)

How do "Can" and "Could" interact with "May"? Example, If a ship with Deadeye and a Synced Turret had both a focus token and a Target Lock on an enemy ship within Range 1 of Biggs Darklighter, could they choose NOT to use Deadeye such that they wouldn't be forced to shoot at Biggs?

The only one of these that's even remotely in question is the last. The rest are very clear (yes, no, no, respectively).

I didn't want to create a whole new thread for this, but has anybody made a stop-gap FAQ in PDF form that I could steal for my upcoming Store Championship? I'd like to let players know ahead of time how we'll be ruling on some of this stuff, so nobody feels like they got ambushed on a ruling.

Has there been a response from how Palpatine interacts with lightweight frame?

Seen the argument that you for example:

You are attacked with 3 red Dice.

You roll 2 green Dice, see what the results are.

If they're not great, let's say 2 blanks, you call a Palp evade and then roll your third dice.

The third Dice is an evade, but as your Dice pool has 2 other blank Dice you could change 1 of those to an evade.

I can see the argument both ways with this.

6 hours ago, Goseki1 said:

Has there been a response from how Palpatine interacts with lightweight frame?

Seen the argument that you for example:

You are attacked with 3 red Dice.

You roll 2 green Dice, see what the results are.

If they're not great, let's say 2 blanks, you call a Palp evade and then roll your third dice.

The third Dice is an evade, but as your Dice pool has 2 other blank Dice you could change 1 of those to an evade.

I can see the argument both ways with this.

Apparently at Worlds, they ruled that Palpatine could affect any dice in the final pool of dice after LWF. My friend is running a tournament on Aug 5 stated that this is what he will go with until FFG provides an update in the FAQ.

1 hour ago, USCGrad90 said:

Apparently at Worlds, they ruled that Palpatine could affect any dice in the final pool of dice after LWF. My friend is running a tournament on Aug 5 stated that this is what he will go with until FFG provides an update in the FAQ.

Nice, cheers.

17 hours ago, TrooperTK422 said:

I didn't want to create a whole new thread for this, but has anybody made a stop-gap FAQ in PDF form that I could steal for my upcoming Store Championship? I'd like to let players know ahead of time how we'll be ruling on some of this stuff, so nobody feels like they got ambushed on a ruling.

I don't think I have a PDF, but let me find what my local stores have posted on FB, and I'll shoot you a PM. This comes from a group of very involved TOs, and a lot of time and consideration went into the final rulings, so you can be pretty confident in their use.

Rather than ask rules questions or argue about answers, I'm wondering if anyone has thought to start a betting pool on which questions will be answered. I mean, that's the more interesting question here -- which of these items does FFG actually consider worthy of its time?

What are the odds on, say, Targeting Synchronizer and Minefield Mapper? 30:1 against?

If we could jump in the Heart of Gold and jump the event probability to 3,861,231:1 against, would FFG suddenly address the Omega Leader questions? (They'd have lots of extra heads and be inside out, but dammit, I want those answers)

Is there a maximum bet? I've got my life savings just burn'n a hole in my pocket here...

On 7/24/2017 at 8:42 PM, TrooperTK422 said:

I didn't want to create a whole new thread for this, but has anybody made a stop-gap FAQ in PDF form that I could steal for my upcoming Store Championship? I'd like to let players know ahead of time how we'll be ruling on some of this stuff, so nobody feels like they got ambushed on a ruling.

I didn't make a PDF, but I did make a post in the event page for the SC I'm running with a list (mostly questions from this thread) and how I will be making my rulings. Without an FAQ on this stuff, it is ultimately up to you, the TO, on which way you want to rule on the clear as mud wording FFG likes to use. I did this a couple of weeks before the event so, like you said, the folks in the tournament would not be ambushed and have lists that don't work the way they wanted them to. I've even thought about printing out copies of "My FAQ" and setting them at each table for people to have as a reference. I'm a firm believer in not breaking the flow of the game if you don't really have to.

Thanks, @ArbitraryNerd hooked me up with a solid google doc that somebody made that had most of the stuff I wanted. I just took that and reformatted it into a PDF that looks closer to the official FFG one (Except that I made sure to put "Unofficial" all over it to avoid confusion). I can pass it on to to others if they want it, but you may not 100% agree with all of my rulings. I guess they really don't plan to release a new FAQ until after Store Championships are over. I get why they'd do that, but on the other hand we need something to help us adjudicate some of the really vague or more complicated cards in the game right now.

A google doc is a good idea. I manage a web-site for my local X-Wing group and I've copied all of the rules from every source I could get my hands on (Rules Reference, FAQ, Tournament Regulations, Huge Ship Rules, Ship Inserts, Reference Cards, etc.) along with email rulings from these forums and local rulings for anything still ambiguous. Having an online source helps a lot when people want to know how a TO or rules marshal will judge at an upcoming event since they can see it before hand and plan accordingly.

An excellent array of questions sir! I look forward to FFG putting out a comprehensive FAQ some day.

A bit of a Necro due to the very late FAQ, but I thought it might be nice to go back and look at which questions were addressed by the FAQ along with their answers.

1) If Cikatro Vizago is used to replace a Cloaking Device upgrade on a ship that is cloaked, does the ship remain cloaked until the cloak token is removed from the ship?
Yes

2) Can a ship with Pulsed Ray Shield take an Ion token to allow a 1 straight maneuver the next turn - even if it cannot recover any shields? (Ref: Garven Dreis/R5-P9)
No

3) Can ships other than the one equipped with Jabba the Hutt discard Illicit tokens instead of the Illicit Upgrade cards when instructed to discard?
Yes

4) If Jabba the Hutt Crew card is discarded from a ship, can Illicit tokens placed on upgrade cards still be discarded instead of the upgrade cards?
Yes

5) Can a squad with Minefield Mapper discard Extra Munitions tokens as well as equipped Bomb Upgrade cards to allow placement of bomb tokens?
1 Bomb per card, you can dicard the extra munition tokens instead of the cards, but you can't discard both to deploy 2 bombs.

6) If you use Minefield Mapper to place Cluster Mines tokens in the play area, are the tokens placed together as a set or can the 3 tokens be placed individually?
Together as a set.

10) If Pattern Analyzer is used to resolve the "Check Pilot Stress" step after the "Perform Action Step," when is the maneuver execution considered to be complete?
Pattern Analyzer now moves both the Check Pilot Stress AND Clean Up steps to after Perform Action, ending the Maneuver after performing your action.

11) Can the Genius Astromech be used to drop a bomb after executing a white 1 straight maneuver as a result of the ship being ionized?
No

14) If the "Ghost" title is discarded from the VCX-1000, does that ship still retain the additional attack abilities from a docked ship equipped with the Phantom Title?
No

17) No timing step is specified for Lt Kestal's ability. What timing should it have?
During "Attacker Modifies Defense Dice"

18) If Palpatine is declared on the lightweight frame roll, can you then proceed to change any result in your result pool? (i.e. the die/dice previously rolled).
From the FAQ, it sounds like the answer is no, but they could have been a little more clear.

23) Can a cloaked ship use feedback array?
No it cannot

I'm actually thankful for the necro. It's been on my mind to check back with this thread and see what items have/haven't been resolved.

It frustrates me that the "source of modification" questions haven't been addressed (e.g. Etahn or Howlrunner helping an ally with snapshot), but this was actually a great FAQ in that it covered some real burning questions like Minefield Mapper and Targeting Synchronizer.