Aces and Veterans packs

By Hrathen, in Star Wars: Armada

X-wing has had quite a few releases where they didn't release new ships, instead old ships with new paint jobs, new pilots and upgrades, usually to make currently released ships better. I have really liked them since they have expanded the meta without while reinforcing the ships that are more core to the Star Wars Mythos.

With recent upgrades buffing the Vic I don't really see any ships in this game that are very under powered, but I still like the idea of new releases for currently existing ships that expands their usability. You know, something like a new ISD pack with Thrawn.

Some ships that could use the help are the Raider and the Neb-b (other than Yavaris).

Are there any ships you would like to see rereleased in a Veterans/Aces format. What changes would you like to see?

It's a little hard to justify an Aces pack for something like an ISD in this game. When X-Wing released a fix for the A-Wing, they were selling a $30 pack to fix a $15 ship. The ISD retails for $50 and I'd wager that most people already have as many ISD models as they want. Another $50 pack is going to be a hard sell when you don't need the model, just some of the cards.

I think it would be a cool idea. But I disagree that the Raider needs help. With DC and FT, it is already in a good spot as anti-ship ion crits or dealing with squadrons.

I think in a way, QBT will help Nebs and people haven't realized it yet. I never fly Nebs at speed 3, which means it can harass smaller ships going faster than it. With Salvation, those blue crits deal 2 damage and you can reroll with Toryn.

I think a 3rd variant of ships would add a lot more diversity but I see that unlikely. As a lot of people have said, titles are the most likely way to go if FFG wants to revitalize the less used ships or give a different option for ships. So no more Yavaris every game or Jaina's Light or Demo.

1 minute ago, Hrathen said:

X-wing has had quite a few releases where they didn't release new ships, instead old ships with new paint jobs, new pilots and upgrades, usually to make currently released ships better. I have really liked them since they have expanded the meta without while reinforcing the ships that are more core to the Star Wars Mythos.

With recent upgrades buffing the Vic I don't really see any ships in this game that are very under powered, but I still like the idea of new releases for currently existing ships that expands their usability. You know, something like a new ISD pack with Thrawn.

Some ships that could use the help are the Raider and the Neb-b (other than Yavaris).

Are there any ships you would like to see rereleased in a Veterans/Aces format. What changes would you like to see?

I think this could be a cool way to rebrand a few ship.

"Tyrants and Legends packs"

The Chimaera with Thrawn commander would be a huge hit for the ISD, and probably the only way to get people to dump cash into another ISD.... For the rebels I feel this gets a little more tricky, as many of the best names are already there, but a release like that could be the opportune time to drop "stolen" imp ships as rebel releases....

Either way, it could be interesting

There is the problem that for a lot of the ships, you don't really need that many. Valca has a point that ISDs are pretty expensive in real money. Maybe we get new upgrades and the like in things like future campaign packs.

A second Pelta and Interdictor title could round things out nicely.

I know rebels are looking at the Quasars red Flak die with hunger in their eyes, perhaps a Pelta title to give it a red anti squadron die.

Interdictor title to slow down squadrons maybe. Even a temporary one of distance 1-4 give all fighters -2 speed for a turn with a discard ability as there are now quite a few ways to speed them up: FCTs, Vector, Corruptor, AFFM, Squall.

5 minutes ago, Valca said:

It's a little hard to justify an Aces pack for something like an ISD in this game. When X-Wing released a fix for the A-Wing, they were selling a $30 pack to fix a $15 ship. The ISD retails for $50 and I'd wager that most people already have as many ISD models as they want. Another $50 pack is going to be a hard sell when you don't need the model, just some of the cards.

People have been asking for an ISD reprint just for Chimera honestly.

What if we got something like a ISD II-A which was like a whole new cardboard for the ISD model? It doesn't have to be the ISD, it could be any ship. I would love a raider like ship with a red anti-squadron die for example.

Just now, Hrathen said:

What if we got something like a ISD II-A which was like a whole new cardboard for the ISD model? It doesn't have to be the ISD, it could be any ship. I would love a raider like ship with a red anti-squadron die for example.

Screw the raider with red anti-squadron die. Give me one with a turbolaser slot and swap all the blue dice for red.

1 minute ago, Hrathen said:

There is the problem that for a lot of the ships, you don't really need that many. Valca has a point that ISDs are pretty expensive in real money. Maybe we get new upgrades and the like in things like future campaign packs.

I think FFG has realized that Armada has some fundamental market differences from X-Wing and they have to approach fixes differently. So far they've done a good job; releasing interesting new ships which also include fixes for older ships as well as the campaign for new squadrons without having to sell more squadron packs.

Another campaign seems like a good plan for ship titles. Corellia seems to have been well received. There's also likely a lower cost on their end for printing campaigns vs producing new ship models.

I mean, that is what the designers said they would do when they were asked about it during the Corellian Conflict release discussion.

(My paraphrase)

"If we were going to approach true ship fixes and alternate ways of using existing ships, it would probably be through a Campaign style system. That would give us the flexibility to do just that... A lthough we have no plans of doing that at this time. "

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12 minutes ago, Hrathen said:

What if we got something like a ISD II-A which was like a whole new cardboard for the ISD model? It doesn't have to be the ISD, it could be any ship. I would love a raider like ship with a red anti-squadron die for example.

I agree. I would really like to see different versions of ships already out there, with different upgrade slots and attack dice. A very different type of flotilla maybe, or a new type of Neb B that I will actually use. An ISD or raider III? That might be difficult to do while keeping balance, but it would be fun to use old ships for different roles.

Also I would love a Liberty with at least 3 shields on the sides.

In all seriousness though. You probably don't need more than 2 ships. Large ships only 1. Most people probably have 2 already. I feel like Campaign expansions would be the best option for fixes. Though I wouldn't mind some rereleases with new ship cards for the raider or nebulon.

1 hour ago, Valca said:

It's a little hard to justify an Aces pack for something like an ISD in this game. When X-Wing released a fix for the A-Wing, they were selling a $30 pack to fix a $15 ship. The ISD retails for $50 and I'd wager that most people already have as many ISD models as they want. Another $50 pack is going to be a hard sell when you don't need the model, just some of the cards.

One can never have enough ISD models.

. . . I do have as many as I want to pay for though. :D

11 minutes ago, ForceGhostofNobodyInParticular said:

One can never have enough ISD models.

. . . I do have as many as I want to pay for though. :D

At least not until I can reenact the Battle of Endor. I only have 5 ISDs currently, so bring on the ISD variants!

Just now, cynanbloodbane said:

At least not until I can reenact the Battle of Endor. I only have 5 ISDs currently, so bring on the ISD variants!

I was thinking of you when I wrote it.

You need what, 22* more? Then an SSD.

*not counting the Tector, Pride of Tarlandia, etc

Honestly I would expect future campaign packs like Corellian Conflict to fill the same niche for us.

Just now, ForceGhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I was thinking of you when I wrote it.

You need what, 22* more? Then an SSD.

*not counting the Tector, Pride of Tarlandia, etc

Something like that... Assuming I don't kitbash together the Tectors, an Intradictor ISD, and a ISD Conqueror-Refit. I have one sitting on my modeling desk, next to a little Lego Death Star, that may be providing the Superlaser dish.

I will just keep watching for online sales, and eBay fleet selloffs.

I was just hoping for a pack with upgrade cards, titles, admirals and ace squadrons. No models, just a booster pack.

MAYBE with new ship varients and tiles.

5 hours ago, TallGiraffe said:

Screw the raider with red anti-squadron die. Give me one with a turbolaser slot and swap all the blue dice for red.

You want a corvette with Brace. Well played.

If they make the Chimaera, I will buy it. ISD number 4.

VSD Galactic Civil War refit.