Do we know how Bayushi Manipulator works?

By Daigotsu Steve, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

Are "Reaction" abilities mandatory?
Because if not, I think it is more simple than that: you see both bids and decide if you increase yours (to draw more cards knowing how many honor tokens will cost you) or not.

If they are mandatory... well, nevermind.

8 minutes ago, Willy Jarque said:

Are "Reaction" abilities mandatory?
Because if not, I think it is more simple than that: you see both bids and decide if you increase yours (to draw more cards knowing how many honor tokens will cost you) or not.

If they are mandatory... well, nevermind.

Reactions are not mandatory, and I think the mechanic is pretty straight forward. It is exactly as if you bid the increased number instead of your actual bid. idk why ppl are confused...

I think the only question is "can you turn a 5 into a 6?"

Do we know yet if there is a card that allows you to swap Honor dials?

8 minutes ago, Zithaska said:

Do we know yet if there is a card that allows you to swap Honor dials?

I don't know... but I kinda don't think it will happen... Unless it is a Shoju card ability. In Old5R his ability was to trade hands with the opponent, it would be reminiscent of the previous ability, and strong for dishonor, if he could trade honor dials... If your opponent sees Shoju out and thinks "Then I'll bid high too" but I don't bid high too... then it works either way. The mix up mind game would be strong.

Imagine Shoju as a 4/5/2 with this ability - I like it ^_^

Edited by shosuko

The bottom of the dial will be a circle just like the conquest one :) This is the only way you can spin the lower part with a comfortable handling and the specified that you can ONLY choose 1,2,3,4,5 ("blank is not an option")

4 minutes ago, shosuko said:

If your opponent sees Shoju out and thinks "Then I'll bid high too" but I don't bid high too... then it works either way. The mix up mind game would be strong.

I could see an Event card allowing you to do such, which would get the same reaction you described when your opponent saw Bayushi Manipulator out. But then you as the Scorpion could bid low, if you did not have the hypothetical Event card in your hand, and get the same honor loss you were going for. So then your opponent has to decide whether to bid low, bid high, or bid in the middle to mitigate the risk... which then slows down their draw. Very much keeping in the spirit of the Scorpion.

Yeah, you're probably right. That would be a pain to play against. But a Shoju with that ability would be great.

7 minutes ago, Zithaska said:

I could see an Event card allowing you to do such, which would get the same reaction you described when your opponent saw Bayushi Manipulator out. But then you as the Scorpion could bid low, if you did not have the hypothetical Event card in your hand, and get the same honor loss you were going for. So then your opponent has to decide whether to bid low, bid high, or bid in the middle to mitigate the risk... which then slows down their draw. Very much keeping in the spirit of the Scorpion.

Yeah, you're probably right. That would be a pain to play against. But a Shoju with that ability would be great.

I wouldn't think it would be "fair" as an event, because the opponent doesn't know they are playing that game - and it would be a horrible to play an entire game in fear of a dial swap. If it's on Shoju (or, I guess, any personality, but this feels like it would be his ability if it exists) then they can see he is in play and know they are going to play that game. At that point it is a 50/50. Bid low or high, and hope they do the opposite so you can switch dials and collect that honor. Meanwhile they engage in the same game - hoping to match your bid so they don't lose honor, and they might even win some bonus draw for it. Maybe they bid straight 3's to predict the honor loss. This could create a dishonor victory with just a few correct reads - especially if Bayushi Manipulator can increase the dial beyond 5 as the card doesn't (yet) have a "Max 1 per bid" on it meaning a perfect setup of 3 manipulators and a dial swap could be 7 honor loss.

idk if it can increase the dial beyond 5. @BayushiCroy said it was stated in a podcast that you can increase it beyond 5.

On 12/7/2017 at 10:40 AM, Tonbo Karasu said:

You are quite correct. It is two hexagonal pieces of card, with a plastic hub and a hole near one corner. Hence six sides.

l5c01_honor-dial_diagram.png

There are 6 potential places for numbers there.

2 hours ago, Zesu Shadaban said:

Or maybe one corner is blank because #Reasons

It's probably a circle under an hexagon. 2 hexagons wouldn't fully cover the hole while rotating.
Being a circle means it can easily be 1-5 numbers

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Double Post
1 hour ago, Willy Jarque said:

Are "Reaction" abilities mandatory?
Because if not, I think it is more simple than that: you see both bids and decide if you increase yours (to draw more cards knowing how many honor tokens will cost you) or not.

If they are mandatory... well, nevermind.

Reactions are not mandatory by theirselves. Steadfast samurai shows a Forced Reaction which seems kind of mandatory

Yeah, Forced is what makes the ability mandatory.