2 hours ago, jesper_h said:

I would have 100% allowed my opponent to change their dial if this happened. It's the first turn for crying out loud.

As I reflect, I think I probably would have, too, especially if my opponent has been playing for only a short time.

However, for the OP, I think what you did is fine. Just be comfortable with your decision. As SOTL said, you have to decide what's most important to you and embrace...

I am a rules guy. That being said, sometimes mistakes happen on the opening round and I am usually inclined to be lenient, especially if he's a newbie.

Basically, I treat others as I want to be treated. Sometimes that means that I don't get mulligans, either.

I don't think it really matters whether it was a tournament or not; a store championship or otherwise. Those are simply justifications.

Ultimately, it's down to each player to decide for themselves where their "line" is for what they're willing to excuse in a game, and how they justify that.

I offered to let my opponent take back a badly-judged Barrel Roll with Corran in a National Championship final. It would have probably lost him the game. I said that he should take it back, and communicated very clearly that I wouldn't have wanted to win a tournament on the back of a mistake like that.

1 minute ago, Toqtamish said:

Totally fine. Good way to learn too. He won't make that mistake ever again. He shouldn't have just conceded however.

This, too.

I also find it hard to fathom he'd just quit. However, I do see more and more of that. Some folks do not like to handle adversity. His list, even minus one ship, still had some power to it. I'd be all the more to keep going, just to be able to say "eff it, now I am going to do this because I made such a massive screw-up".

47 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

again if it still is an issue dial watch might have to fall under TO responsibilities. Maybe calling FFG for replacement dials is not a bad idea as well.

at the store I frequent for champs the TO lacks major x-wing knowledge. so I would not defer to him. but I'll ask FFG.

48 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

forum fail

48 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

silly double posting

Personally, I would have let him change it, since it was obviously a mistake. As a TO, I would have sent that ship off the mat, those are the rules.

My son, then nearly 7, had this happen in a League match last year. His opponent had dialed the wrong hard 3 on Dash midway through the game. My son refused to allow the change, and I did try to convince him. He won handily, and the way it was going, he was likely to anyways. Nevertheless, we talked on the way home and he realized how that must have felt for the other player. Another successful x-wing teaching moment

9 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

Totally fine. Good way to learn too. He won't make that mistake ever again. He shouldn't have just conceded however.

If it were a Z-95, maybe. But why spend 30 minutes losing a game you tossed 30 seconds in? If he is going to be held to his mistake, you should at least let him walk away from a lost game if he chooses.

8 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

If it were a Z-95, maybe. But why spend 30 minutes losing a game you tossed 30 seconds in? If he is going to be held to his mistake, you should at least let him walk away from a lost game if he chooses.

Because it's a game.

To each their own. The opponent made their choice by not continuing to play for whatever reason.

10 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

Because it's a game.

more fun to play than to watch I think.

besides, in that matchup it was still a fair fight!

Mulligans are for casual/practice night. There isn't a big enough asterisk for someone who might've won the whole tournament after his opponent let him unfly his ship off the board.

31 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

Because it's a game.

It's war when he sets his dial wrong but just a game when he concedes?? Hmmm. . . .

As a new player(2 months in) I would be okay with the decision if it was my ship getting flown off. I would have realized my mistake and not asked to change it. It actually happened to me on a casual night after a K turn and i dialed in a left turn not thinking it was facing the other direction now. My opponent offered to let me change it and i refused, i would not have learned that way.

Now i had another player i was against that tried taking advantage my newness and ION me. I did the next move and went to remove both ION tokens and he told me i only got to remove one. I thought both got removed (per the reference card and articles i have read) but i conceded to the more experienced player. I dont think that was your intentions and you shouldnt think twice about it, especially at a tournement(of any kind).

20 minutes ago, CasoPrime said:

As a new player(2 months in) I would be okay with the decision if it was my ship getting flown off. I would have realized my mistake and not asked to change it. It actually happened to me on a casual night after a K turn and i dialed in a left turn not thinking it was facing the other direction now. My opponent offered to let me change it and i refused, i would not have learned that way.

Now i had another player i was against that tried taking advantage my newness and ION me. I did the next move and went to remove both ION tokens and he told me i only got to remove one. I thought both got removed (per the reference card and articles i have read) but i conceded to the more experienced player. I dont think that was your intentions and you shouldnt think twice about it, especially at a tournement(of any kind).

This has happened to me too. Unscrupulous players trying to abuse your ignorance of he rules. Keep your rules reference cards handy!

You were totally justified. It's a store championship; don't screw up. In that kind of tourney (which I admit is not super-hardcore), you should be playing to win. I would be upset if I made the mistake, but at myself, and you wouldn't have had to call the TO. There are prizes on the line, after all. Seriously, why give the opponent that kind of chance? (and where would you draw the line about what kind of breaks to give opponents?) Your opponent was flying a meta-list; he should know that they're not auto-pilot. I wouldn't feel bad about winning that game. I will say that if my opponent had positioned the shadowcaster facing off the map, where there was no question of it going off, that I would say something like, "Are you sure you want to do that?" But in the OP, I wouldn't know that my opponent was making a mistake.

This may sound like I'm uber-competitive. I'm not. In a casual match, I'd allow it and laugh about it. In the case of the store championship, I would say, "Dude/dudette, that sucks, but I'm gonna take the win." I'd also expect the same treatment from my opponents. And would laugh about my own mistake.

It's acceptable to do that in tournament games - as long as they're above casual level. Personally, I don't feel like I need to get wins with my opponents flying off the board on a silly move, I'd have let him change it... though I'd be awfully tempted to not do so at something like worlds...

@Joe Censored

As this was a Store Championship (capital S, capital C), your opponent shouldn't have asked you for the re-dial.

Proper etiquette dictates that your opponent laments and harumphs for precisely 27 seconds after the dial is revealed, during which time you could, if you so choose, offer the re-dial (of which you are under no obligation to do so). Once the 27 seconds have elapsed, and assuming no offer of re-dial was proffered, your opponent should then say "ah well" and move his ship off the board using the dialed-in maneuver. Simply lifting the ship from the table is unacceptable - FFG spent good money making those templates.

The rest of the game is then fought in comfortable, knowing silence, only briefly interrupted by terse, no-nonsense declarations of intent, actions, and die results.

Upon concluding the game, your opponent will offer their hand, and you will take it... and then we must never speak of this again.

TL;DR - you did the right thing in calling the judge, and your opponent shouldn't have asked.

8 hours ago, Joe Censored said:

So to be clear, in a fun game I would have let him change his dial, but this was a store champs tournament. My opponent placed his Asajj Ventress so it was parallel with his side of the board. I don't know if he forgot which direction he had his ship facing or if he simply dialed in the wrong direction, but Asajj was the 3rd ship to move and he reveals a 3 speed hard turn that sails Asajj right off the board. He immediately asks me if he can change it, and instead I call for the judge. The judge ruled the dial says the ship is flying off the board so that is that. My opponent then immediately concedes. I felt terrible.

He was flying a mindlink list of Asajj, Manaroo, and Fenn against my trench crew Wedge, Luke, and Biggs. I kinda hoped the judge would let him change his dial, but I knew the odds were against me to win this and I thought Fenn plus the Jumpmaster vs my T-65's was actually making this an even match and if I wanted a win today I needed to take any ship losses my opponent hands me. If the judge had let him keep the ship, then fine, it wasn't me handing my opponent a free ship save, and I would have been perfectly happy, but nope. I literally said to the judge, "I don't want to be a ****, but I do want to win this" and let my opponent take it from there with the judge. I really thought he should play it out with me, and he still had an excellent chance to win, but when he walked away I felt like garbage for the next couple hours.

Was I being a jerk? Would you have let him change his dial to whatever he says he really wanted to dial in? Or would you have called for the judge like I did?

Not a jerk IMO. After all is said and done, it's your oppponent's responsibility to manage his abilities and manuvers.
If I were him, I would have played out the match as a reminder to make sure my manuvers are "right".

Something I have seen a couple of times in the responses that I feel isn't right is saying that the other guy shouldn't have asked to adjust his dial. I think asking should never be looked down on.

Now, where I do feel things can get twisted is in the expectation that goes into the question. Using myself as an example, I've done my fair share of turn one goofs, including going off the board. I have asked if I can redo something , but with the full knowledge that my opponent has full right to say no, and that is well within the guidelines of good sportsmanship. If they say no, I accept it and play with my mistake as best I can. But those who do let me redo something go above and beyond the call in terms of sportsmanship in my mind. Not a standard to hold everyone to, but a mercy to be grateful for and appreciated.

@Joe Censored I will echo the sentiment that you did nothing wrong. You followed the rules. If looking back, you find that you wish you had let him do it, then keep it in mind for the future. Letting someone rework a dial turn 1 is a kindness you are under no obligation to give someone.

As others have said, just hold others to the same standards as yourself.

That said, though I haven't actually played in any tourneys yet, I have been around a few at my FLGS, and at least there, the atmosphere is pretty casual. Because of that, I probably would have let him, or done something half way between, "OK, but you get a few stress, and I pick your next two moves, maybe that's a bit harsh, but somewhere in the middle is what I would consider right. Not correct, correct would be, "no, you made the mistake, suck it up", but right.

Do to others as you would have them do to you.

17 minutes ago, gryffindorhouse said:

As others have said, just hold others to the same standards as yourself.

That said, though I haven't actually played in any tourneys yet, I have been around a few at my FLGS, and at least there, the atmosphere is pretty casual. Because of that, I probably would have let him, or done something half way between, "OK, but you get a few stress, and I pick your next two moves, maybe that's a bit harsh, but somewhere in the middle is what I would consider right. Not correct, correct would be, "no, you made the mistake, suck it up", but right.

Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Next 2 moves, its perfect! You let them change the move, use the next one to lull them into a false sense of security, THEN fly them off the board with the next maneuver!

15 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

Next 2 moves, its perfect! You let them change the move, use the next one to lull them into a false sense of security, THEN fly them off the board with the next maneuver!

That was not my intention, and if they are not close to the side, you would not be able to do that.

You get your choice of approach, but the enemy still has a fighting chance.

Alternetely, you could offer to set their ships, and place them in a not-all-that-good-but-not-suicide setup, and go with that.

Again though, what you do should represent how you want to be thought of.

9 hours ago, Joe Censored said:

So to be clear, in a fun game I would have let him change his dial, but this was a store champs tournament. My opponent placed his Asajj Ventress so it was parallel with his side of the board. I don't know if he forgot which direction he had his ship facing or if he simply dialed in the wrong direction, but Asajj was the 3rd ship to move and he reveals a 3 speed hard turn that sails Asajj right off the board. He immediately asks me if he can change it, and instead I call for the judge. The judge ruled the dial says the ship is flying off the board so that is that. My opponent then immediately concedes. I felt terrible.

He was flying a mindlink list of Asajj, Manaroo, and Fenn against my trench crew Wedge, Luke, and Biggs. I kinda hoped the judge would let him change his dial, but I knew the odds were against me to win this and I thought Fenn plus the Jumpmaster vs my T-65's was actually making this an even match and if I wanted a win today I needed to take any ship losses my opponent hands me. If the judge had let him keep the ship, then fine, it wasn't me handing my opponent a free ship save, and I would have been perfectly happy, but nope. I literally said to the judge, "I don't want to be a ****, but I do want to win this" and let my opponent take it from there with the judge. I really thought he should play it out with me, and he still had an excellent chance to win, but when he walked away I felt like garbage for the next couple hours.

Was I being a jerk? Would you have let him change his dial to whatever he says he really wanted to dial in? Or would you have called for the judge like I did?

No, it's judge call not yours to make. Its like someone bang your car but he got paralyzed, then the judge rules its his fault and his insurance pays your car bill.

Mistakes happen. The worst ones happen in a tournament setting. TO was right. You were right to call the TO. I bet next time that guy won't forget which way his ship is facing, either.