I'd have let him change the dial on the first turn, clearly not the intended move and an honest mistake any of us could make if we aren't paying attention for some reason...

I always try to remind my opponents of decloaking, stress removal, unused used actions, etc...

if however it was later in the game then I'm afraid that I'd probably be more harsh on the matter...

What you did was completely reasonable. It may be an error on his part but it certainly isn't an error-by-omission which I'd be much more forgiving with.

I might even say his response was reasonable as it would have been a massive uphill climb.

While I would have had the bad move stand after the opponent conceded the match giving you the win I may have asked to "replay" the game as a "what if" situation. This game is completely non-binding but outcome could show that the final may not have changed much.

You learn the most through the highest of painful outcomes.

Guarantee he wont turn1 fly off the board anytime soon. Dialing in the wrong direction doesnt really get stuck in your head as a possibility until it costs you a game or two.

It's a tournament. I don't think you did the wrong thing. I'm not sure what I'd have done in your shoes.

A friendly game it's a no brainer and you let him take it back. But a store championship he should have been playing better.

I would have 100% allowed my opponent to change their dial if this happened. It's the first turn for crying out loud.

If someone made me fly off the board there i would accept it and be fine, its my mistake.

However if an opponent dialed in that move i would allow him to change it to the other direction 100% of the time no matter what. I personally don't want to win a game like that, this was not a misjudged opps this was clearly a directional mistake.

I like to win on my own merits not because my opponent put down the wrong direction on a turn one move.

Good for thought,

Your opponent will never make that mistake again. I have done this before and lost full HP ships during my first torny, missing out on making the final cut for a free wave 4 ship because of that game. I learned to check my dails 2-3 times before I place it down from it and the mistake was never made again.

Your not a jerk and your opponent learns, it is sometimes the only way.

Also having the judge make the call is the best thing ever.

edit I can't type English properly!

59 minutes ago, kris40k said:

Didn't Paul Heaver set up all his TIEs facing backwards (the edge) one tournament?

Oh, Paul Heaver did that once, too? Happened to me once as well. I was lucky to have an opponent who let me change their facing - but nobody forced him to do it, he had no obligation to.

In one of my first ever tournaments, back in February 2014, I was facing two new players (back then everything was very casual, so them entering the tournament as a team was not an issue for anybody). They dialed in a two hard right with their Captain Kagi when they meant to dial in a two hard left, and the right turn flew the ship off the board. Like you, I called over a judge and he decided "dial is dial" and they flew out.

I'm still feeling bad about not letting them change their dial; so be prepared to feel bad about your choice for years, even though you had every right for it

4 minutes ago, haslo said:

Oh, Paul Heaver did that once, too? Happened to me once as well. I was lucky to have an opponent who let me change their facing - but nobody forced him to do it.

I may be wrong about the player, as Internet grapevines/gossip are what they are, still trying to corroborate that.

When ships are not in combat I am pretty lenient, even in a tournament. However, when the shooting starts you better make sure you program the right moves. I wouldn't expect my opponent to let me change mine.

Nope, perfectly acceptable. I will admit I am starting to notice the dials are a little slippery and with the not too recent debacle over at worlds I think it is a good tournament prep to check your dials and use an upgrade kit if necessary. Or if you have to call over a TO to verify the maneuver selected before you place it in case the dial slips to a maneuver you didn't want to.

As for the guy conceding one could say that was premature. Playing on the mistake could have made him a better player. If it would have cost him his 50+ point ship as it goes off the board maybe that is the thing to do.

All in all, no fault seen here on your part. You should not feel bad. People don't like to lose, especially over a little mistake.

@Marinealver I have noticed some of my upgrade kits are a bit loose as well. The one I use for my A-Wing specifically has been really bad. I plotted a 3 hard and when I revealed it was a 4 straight. I called the 3 straight as I was revealing and hand the template in hand...but saw a straight 4. Without even questioning it I swapped to the straight 4 because the 3 was the perfect maneuver and it may have come across negatively, especially against the newer player I was flying against. I bumped. I got shot at, I'm an A-Wing, I survived, went on to win. no problem.

Sometimes the dial will also end up inbetween two selections too... I always call the maneuver before I reveal and show my opponent the dial, if it is inbetween I let them decide what to plot, but I haven't run into an issue plotting the maneuver I originally intended.

I think it was a tournament, so valid on your part. I would feel bad for the other guy too, but it is a tournament and not a casual game.

Thanks very much for all the opinions. If this happens to me ever again round 1 I'll probably let my opponent correct the error in the future. I didn't like the feeling that this game win should have an asterisk next to it.

2 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

How deep into the tourney was it? It sounds like this may not have been this guy's first unforced error of the day if he was willing to concede that quickly.

It was the 2nd match up of the day. We both had a loss from our first matches.

5 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

@Marinealver I have noticed some of my upgrade kits are a bit loose as well. The one I use for my A-Wing specifically has been really bad. I plotted a 3 hard and when I revealed it was a 4 straight. I called the 3 straight as I was revealing and hand the template in hand...but saw a straight 4. Without even questioning it I swapped to the straight 4 because the 3 was the perfect maneuver and it may have come across negatively, especially against the newer player I was flying against. I bumped. I got shot at, I'm an A-Wing, I survived, went on to win. no problem.

Sometimes the dial will also end up inbetween two selections too... I always call the maneuver before I reveal and show my opponent the dial, if it is inbetween I let them decide what to plot, but I haven't run into an issue plotting the maneuver I originally intended.

again if it still is an issue dial watch might have to fall under TO responsibilities. Maybe calling FFG for replacement dials is not a bad idea as well.

To be quite candid it sounds like by calling the judge you made the call of not letting the opponent change the dial and deflected the responsibility to the judge. Obviously, no judge would rule it alright to change the dial.

Technically, it's in your right to do so (whether you call a judge to do so or not). Personally, I would've let the person change the dial since it was the first turn. I'm assuming this is a relatively new player because of such a simple mistake. In any event, it's your judgement call. On flip side it can be a learning experience for the opponent to double checking their dials and/or leave a negative play experience.

You must do what you feel is right, of course! ?

There is no wrong or right here. Just choice "A" or "B". You went with "A". Rules say he flies off the board. He learned a lesson to double check his dials when doing weird (especially parallel edge) setups. Some people place their ship right up to the edge, thinking its straight, then do a 3 straight maneuver and corner of their base is off. Dumb setups end it tears. Lesson learned.

On the other hand, dumb **** happens and this is just a store tourney (aka mainly just locals within reasonable drive distance) where you will probably meet or face this guy again in the near future. This is plastic pew-pew toys where we all want to have fun. Make friends, not enemies, and fun will be had at all future tourneys you go to win or lose.

If I was on the reverse side, and flew my ship off round 1 and my opponent didnt let me change the dial, or called a judge over, I would in no way be upset at my opponent, but rahter with myself and how stupid I looked, and guarantee I would never do that again in a tournament.

Your opponent sounded like a new player by quitting and walking away. Fenn and Manaroo can still do some hurt.

I think it depends on who you want to be: Are you a stickler for the rules? Or someone there to make friends and enjoy every game, whether you win or lose?

I have chosen to be the latter. I am happy to try to bump a ship off the mat, by outguessing or outflying him, but I have previously insisted that a tournament opponent change his dial so his ship would stay on the mat when he'd misread which moves were red and thought he couldn't do the move which would keep him on.

On the other hand, I have been on the receiving end when my dial slipped and I nearly lost my main ship off the board, and taking 3 turns getting back into position probably cost me that game. So I'm a lot more careful placing my dials and revealing them now - which I might not have learned if my opponent had let me use the move I'd originally set.

2 hours ago, MrMaggles said:

I'd have let him change the dial on the first turn, clearly not the intended move and an honest mistake any of us could make if we aren't paying attention for some reason...

I always try to remind my opponents of decloaking, stress removal, unused used actions, etc...

if however it was later in the game then I'm afraid that I'd probably be more harsh on the matter...

I tend to be more forgiving on turn 1 of instadeath-level mistakes, because it can be relatively easy to make errors on the first round - you know what you want to do, so you're not thinking about it as carefully as you are when actual engagements start.

That said, you weren't wrong. That you did it because you deliberately wanted the edge... that's more troubling, personally, and probably why you felt so guilty. The internal logic for making a call either way can matter as much as the actual call, and 'because it gave me an advantage' is a worrying one to have to reconcile. That it then won you the game simply means it got your desired result a little more easily than you had anticipated... but I'm not sure wanting to only play the dude's 2/3rds of his list would have been any more than a placebo to your conscience regardless.

30 minutes ago, hey_yu said:

To be quite candid it sounds like by calling the judge you made the call of not letting the opponent change the dial and deflected the responsibility to the judge. Obviously, no judge would rule it alright to change the dial.

Technically, it's in your right to do so (whether you call a judge to do so or not). Personally, I would've let the person change the dial since it was the first turn. I'm assuming this is a relatively new player because of such a simple mistake. In any event, it's your judgement call. On flip side it can be a learning experience for the opponent to double checking their dials and/or leave a negative play experience.

Yes I did deflect the decision onto the judge, but as I'm also a pretty new player I actually wasn't sure what the judge would say. Though I did suspect he would rule the ship was gone, yes.

3 hours ago, Joe Censored said:

So to be clear, in a fun game I would have let him change his dial, but this was a store champs tournament.

2 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

It's a tournament. I don't think you did the wrong thing. I'm not sure what I'd have done in your shoes.

A friendly game it's a no brainer and you let him take it back. But a store championship he should have been playing better.

I agree with Blod. It's a rough lesson, but if that's the level you want to play at, then that's the level you fall from.

For me, it's why I don't like tournament play. I never want to be in either one of your shoes.

Another option could have been asking him to incur some sort of penalty (eg. loss of half health) then swap it to the opposite turn.

In that way, he gets a lesson in being more careful and still stands a chance of making the points back.

3 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

Either way you go you'll find supporters. You have to decide what's most important to you and embrace that is how you will approach the game.

If you're comfortable with enforcing the rules then be the player that enforces the rules. But I think you have to also own both the good & bad of that decision, rather than try to deflect the bad onto the judge.

Whichever you choose you have to be able to look your opponent in the eye and be good with it. If you can do that then whichever you choose was the right choice for you!

Very well said, I think. Not too often you get this on internet forums.

Totally fine. Good way to learn too. He won't make that mistake ever again. He shouldn't have just conceded however.