2 hours ago, Lukey84 said:Do all F&D specs give you +1 Force Rating when you take them, or do you need to get to the talent first? I was thinking about taking Trailblazer and then Shii-Cho Knight.
The FaD specs don't give you a Force Rating at all.
Force Rating is only provided by starting out with a FaD career. So if you started out with an EotE or AoR career, then you'll need to purchase either Force Sensitive Exile or Force Sensitive Emergent to get to Force Rating 1.
On 7/18/2017 at 0:14 PM, Donovan Morningfire said:The FaD specs don't give you a Force Rating at all.
Force Rating is only provided by starting out with a FaD career. So if you started out with an EotE or AoR career, then you'll need to purchase either Force Sensitive Exile or Force Sensitive Emergent to get to Force Rating 1.
Would I need to purchase FSE to gain access to the F&D careers, or could I purchase the tree and then later get FSE for Force Rating 1?
4 minutes ago, Lukey84 said:Would I need to purchase FSE to gain access to the F&D careers, or could I purchase the tree and then later get FSE for Force Rating 1?
You can buy the career, but no force sensitive talents will work until you have FR1. So a non-force sensitive can buy the career, buy all the non-force talents, and use them fine. They may have to buy a force talent they can't use to get past a choke point though.
Does the talent "Force Rating +1" give me a force rating?
No, because it is itself a force talent and won't function unless you already have FR 1+.
42 minutes ago, Garran said:No, because it is itself a force talent and won't function unless you already have FR 1+.
Which of course opens up the idea that someone could grab multiple Force Rating boosts without having an original rating, then spend however much for FSE and jump from no Force potential to incredibly powerful.
Sure, they could, although it's a horribly inefficient way to go about it, since they'd have been better off to have the lower FR all along and they're still going to have to buy force powers to do much with it (unless they also bought those first, in which case they had however many more nonfunctional XP in the meantime).
I would have said no, but there will always be gm's who if trying to do this properly will turn over a destiny point and mutter those fateful words..."Oh you have a bad feeling about that!"
Of course others will just have them come after you for no reason whatsoever so be sure to point out that unless you're caught doing something that's force related or dumb enough to be caught openly wielding a light sabre they do need to have a good reason for their interest in you if its your character they're actively pursuing!
And yes there are GMs in any roleplaying game who do stuff like that!
On 7/18/2017 at 0:14 PM, Donovan Morningfire said:The FaD specs don't give you a Force Rating at all.
Force Rating is only provided by starting out with a FaD career. So if you started out with an EotE or AoR career, then you'll need to purchase either Force Sensitive Exile or Force Sensitive Emergent to get to Force Rating 1.
Where does the rule books say this? I am curious...
5 minutes ago, Eric42 said:Where does the rule books say this? I am curious...
It's because you get it from the career, not the specialization.
Edit - Also, pg 279 F&D Core, bottom right.
Edited by Darzil6 minutes ago, Darzil said:It's because you get it from the career, not the specialization.
Edit - Also, pg 279 F&D Core, bottom right.
Excellent, very enlightening. Thank you muchly.
On 7/18/2017 at 7:07 AM, Lukey84 said:Do all F&D specs give you +1 Force Rating when you take them, or do you need to get to the talent first? I was thinking about taking Trailblazer and then Shii-Cho Knight.
None of the F&D Specialty trees give +1 Force Rating at opening. The Careers do. Which means taking an F&D specialty tree is no bonus to FR.
On 17.8.2017 at 11:23 PM, Edgookin said:You can buy the career, but no force sensitive talents will work until you have FR1. So a non-force sensitive can buy the career, buy all the non-force talents, and use them fine. They may have to buy a force talent they can't use to get past a choke point though.
Sorry for being pedantic ar**. This is nothing personal.
You cannot buy a career. Ever. You choose one at the beginning, and that will always be your career. Search and replace career with specialization, and you are mostly correct. (Just mostly, because I don't recall that being said explicitly in books and GM can interpret / house rule it that non-force sensitives cannot buy non-force specializations).
53 minutes ago, kkuja said:Sorry for being pedantic ar**. This is nothing personal.
You cannot buy a career. Ever. You choose one at the beginning, and that will always be your career. Search and replace career with specialization, and you are mostly correct. (Just mostly, because I don't recall that being said explicitly in books and GM can interpret / house rule it that non-force sensitives cannot buy non-force specializations).
Its not a house rule, there is no rule saying a non force sensitive cannot take a force sensitive specializations, which has also be confirmed by the devs on a number of occasions, and not to be pentatic, non-force sensitives can buy non-force sensitive specializations (which is what you said above, but I think you may have meant force specializations).
In fact there is nothing stopping a droid from taking a forcr career, which is the plain wierdest thing you can do, since you would never get FR1 ever.
I think the pedantic bit was that the prior poster talked about buying a career, which you don't do - you buy a specialization from another career.
Edited by GarranOn 8/17/2017 at 4:27 PM, RickAllison said:Which of course opens up the idea that someone could grab multiple Force Rating boosts without having an original rating, then spend however much for FSE and jump from no Force potential to incredibly powerful.
That's actually something that can be easily handled with narrative description. Some latent being with a powerful connection to the Force, but no training on how to tap into it. Always in their life, it's sat there, at the edge of their understanding, but always just out of reach. Their whole life, they would feel like they were missing something, like a piece of their soul had never quite filled in. Like a potter's jug with a hole in the side, cooked in the kiln. Then, in some event (ideally something very dramatic, or at least cinematic, like delving into a Force Vergence on their own or something), something inside them just clicks, like a switch being flipped, or a hole being plugged. Now, they can
FEEL EVERYTHING
, and they can finally understand. The "My God, it's full of stars!" kind of moment. And now they have this very powerful gift they can begin to learn how to use.
That's just darn good story fodder if you ask me. Plus, without buying any Force powers (which you couldn't do without a Force Rating of at least 1), you couldn't DO anything with that massive Force Rating at first anyway. Plus, there would be all that time you were spending XP into talent trees where you really weren't gaining the true benefits of those trees. You would be intentionally hobbling your PC's effectiveness, for a big pay off later.
So I don't really see how this is broken or anything. You'd still have to then spend
even more xp
into buying and upgrading Force Powers, to do anything with it. Which will still take time and effort.
Besides, in this theoretical situation of some PC buying up multiple F&D trees to have this big Force Bang later, they've likely got a party they are running with too, who are getting the same XP, and so they are also 4+, or 5+ talent trees worth of XP. They are going to be pretty powerful in their own area of expertise themselves, and will have been able to fully utilize that expertise the entire time. The Force PC though, still has more work to put in, to become super powerful.
But again, that's by design. The devs at FFG always intended for people who invest a ton of XP into the Force, and Force related specs/talents, to be incredibly powerful. That's not a bug, it's a feature. The key point is,
they don't start that way.
They have to work for it, they have to devote their progression to becoming stronger in the Force, which is done by several XP paths. You have to buy Powers, and you have to buy Talents to utilize those powers, and improve your FR to make the Powers more effective. And vice versa. So yeah, after hundreds of points of XP, all spent with the intent of becoming powerful in the Force, the PC darn well
better
be powerful, otherwise the devs are doing that player, and the PC concept a disservice.
On 8/17/2017 at 1:23 PM, Edgookin said:You can buy the career, but no force sensitive talents will work until you have FR1. So a non-force sensitive can buy the career, buy all the non-force talents, and use them fine. They may have to buy a force talent they can't use to get past a choke point though.
Careers cannot be bought. You get one, and only one, at character gen.
Specializations, however...
None of the F&D specs give FR1, and Force rating talents all require FR1 to be applied to.
On 7/17/2017 at 10:02 PM, Endersai said:I think, and I'm UTTERLY GUESSING here (not looking at spoilers for TLJ) but I suspect the notion of what a Jedi is needs to change.
The main reason we got the NJO wearing robes, losing all personality, and flipping out like space ninjas was that Del Rey sought to "prequelise" the OT and NJO era. That is, instead of there being a natural need or fit for the prequel stuff, they took out a giant shoehorn and got to work.
Instead, we should be taking the view that was a cynical, ham-fisted marketing exercise that yanked the franchise in a terminally stupid direction until the Disney buyout, where they recognised the only sane thing to do was shoot the EU in the back of the head after telling it it was a good boy, such a good boy.
These specs are force users, pale imitations of the Jedi of old but building their own new Jedi tradition. So the question isn't if they should be considered Jedi; it's if the term Jedi means the same thing in the OT/ST as it did in the PT. (Hint: Nope. Does not.)
Look at the flowers, EU. Look at the flowers.