If a list worth 98 points loses a match, is it scored as 98 or 100?

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@Velvetelvis Look at page 7 of the Tournament Regulations, second paragraph. If every ship in a 98 point list is destroyed, then it counts as destroying a full 100 points for calculating MoV.

1 hour ago, Quarrel said:

Losing is a full 100 pt. loss for MoV purposes regardless of squad cost.

This is over simplified to the point of being misleading. Not all losses are a full 100 points; Margin of Victory is way more complicated than that.

I guess what I'm getting at is i saw a score sheet where a one guy had a 98 point list. He lost his whole list and killed 69 points of the winners list.

It struck me as off that they tallied it as 98/69

I could have sworn at other tournaments I ways see that as 100/69

But then. Second guessing myself because I usually run 100 point lists so I thought maybe I'm biased that it's always 100/whatever if I get wiped out.

When it comes to scoring if you had two Academy Pilots and a 76 point "initiative bid" your opponent would only score 12 points for killing one but killing the second would result in complete elimination and award the remaining 88 points.

Scoring is based on points killed IF there are ships remaining. If all ships are destroyed then the "value" of the squadron is determined to be the full value allowed. You may have heard stories about some old Phantom squadrons that ran with a 14 point initiative bid. Well that "bid" wasn't just to win initiative but was that big because it was easier to protect those points by keeping a Phantom alive until time was called than it was to put an Academy Pilot in with those points and then worry about keeping that ship alive as well.

4 hours ago, Velvetelvis said:

I guess what I'm getting at is i saw a score sheet where a one guy had a 98 point list. He lost his whole list and killed 69 points of the winners list.

It struck me as off that they tallied it as 98/69

I could have sworn at other tournaments I ways see that as 100/69

It was off. The final DIFFERENCE is 31 points. The Winner should have earned 131 MOV points while the loser earned his 69 points of MoV. Winner MoV + Loser MoV = 200 points even if that is 100/100.

If someone is recording those as 98/69 or even 100/69 then the winners are really being cheated out of points. Say the one guy still had an Academy Pilot and thus the other only killed 86 points. The winner doesn't change but the margin is now just 17 points and the recorded MoV should be 117 and 83. The win is much less effective so the winner obviously doesn't get as many points but the loser will get more points despite not killing any more.

1 minute ago, StevenO said:

It was off. The final DIFFERENCE is 31 points. The Winner should have earned 131 MOV points while the loser earned his 69 points of MoV. Winner MoV + Loser MoV = 200 points even if that is 100/100.

If someone is recording those as 98/69 or even 100/69 then the winners are really being cheated out of points. Say the one guy still had an Academy Pilot and thus the other only killed 86 points. The winner doesn't change but the margin is now just 17 points and the recorded MoV should be 117 and 83. The win is much less effective so the winner obviously doesn't get as many points but the loser will get more points despite not killing any more.

How it was actually tallied on the record sheet and how it was recorded on the system aren't necessarily the same. Even at top tier FFG events the scoring sheets just record the points each player destroyed (100 for tabling regardless of original points value) and they let the software work out the MoV because wetware calculators suck.

11 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

How it was actually tallied on the record sheet and how it was recorded on the system aren't necessarily the same. Even at top tier FFG events the scoring sheets just record the points each player destroyed (100 for tabling regardless of original points value) and they let the software work out the MoV because wetware calculators suck.

That could be.

It's still a little distressing especially if things aren't getting recorded properly. Outside of the NashaPup there should be no way to only "kill" things and end up with a score of 99-89; except for the Pup you could kill more than 88 points without wiping the opponent.

The store was using new software.i didn't ask what they switched to.so it may have solved the difference.