Hello!

I have made this a youtube video if you want to see/listen to me bumble my way through these stats:

Hope this is okay!

So I am a new player of X-Wing and I was curious how much money it would cost to buy a competitive x-wing list (not really looking for the purposes of net listing though, just interested).

I thought a good way to look at this might be to look at World’s 2017 and see how much on average the players spent. So that is what I did. I went through each top 16 list and calculated the lowest amount you would have to spend to replicate it. Doing so also gave me a few other stats. Spreadsheet available at the end if you want to look.

Let’s Start:

All stats for Top 16 World Championship 2017

So for the cost I used a UK based website Element Games (I am not affiliated with these and suspect most online retailers will be about the same). I converted the amount into $ but research showed US pricing on some websites to be fairly equivalent to the £ amount, so keep that in mind.

Cost

Cost Excludes New Core Set

The most expensive list was Marcel Manzano - £204 / $261

The Cheapest list was Travis Cooper - £107 / $137

The average cost of the Top 16 List Was £180 / $232

£2617 / $3373 Is how much you would pay to buy all the expansions bought by the Top 16

Top 16 Faction Composition:

3 Rebel - 18.75%

12 Scum - 75.00%

1 Imp - 6.25%

16 Different Pilots Used In Top 16.

More than half of the top 16 had Fenn Rau in the List.

Fenn Rau most popular pilot - Used 9 times.

JumpMaster 5000 & Protectorate Starfighter Both Flown 15 times each.

46 Ships Flown In Total

Attanni Mindlink Used 33 times - That's 71.74%

11 Punishing One Expansions Bought Just For Attanni Mindlink

Average Ships Per Player Used = 2.875

Punishing One Expansion most Purchased Expansion - 26 times Protectorate Starfighter Expansion Pack - 15 times

Imperial Raider Expansion Pack - Most Expensive Ship - Bought For Emperor Palpatine Only

Dengar & Tel Trevura - Technically Most Efficient Pilots - Used Only By The Winner

Each list was comprised on average by 7.18 Expansions

My spreadsheet is available to anyone if you want to have a look. I hope at least someone finds it interesting!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HWgZ9l7elfBKx3fmtKFq0C72t4Gi-uo7y9xmQ1MnGMc/edit?usp=sharing

Hei! That's neat ^^

You could have used FFG reference prices, they are listed on the website and are the most neutral way of estimating price.

Nice work!

It says a lot about the JM5K - and Fenn Rau, to a lesser extent - that they're the most used ships in the game, by a wide margin. It's popular to say that "any ship is competitive if played right" but, really, they're not. Even in this relatively nice meta, there are a few ships/builds the dominate, and the rest are more or less useless. Along a similar vein, attanni mindlink is still absurd.

Never tell me the costs!

Seems a bit odd that a Star Wars game would render Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader redundant in favour of obscure Star Wars ships and pilots.

Is that what has happened?

If so, what should be done?

1 hour ago, NilsTillander said:

Hei! That's neat ^^

You could have used FFG reference prices, they are listed on the website and are the most neutral way of estimating price.

I did consider this but it started out as a list for me and by the time I had gotten so far I couldn't be bothered to go ahead and change it but if I do something similar again, I will included it! Thanks.

28 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

Never tell me the costs!

Many apologies!

16 minutes ago, mfairhu1 said:

Seems a bit odd that a Star Wars game would render Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader redundant in favour of obscure Star Wars ships and pilots.

Is that what has happened?

If so, what should be done?

I just bought the original core set and the Tie erm whatever it is, so I could have Luke and Vader

13 minutes ago, Tabletop Oddity said:

I did consider this but it started out as a list for me and by the time I had gotten so far I couldn't be bothered to go ahead and change it but if I do something similar again, I will included it! Thanks.

Many apologies!

I just bought the original core set and the Tie erm whatever it is, so I could have Luke and Vader

If you've bought the Tie Advanced, then yes, you've got both!

3 hours ago, Tabletop Oddity said:

Attanni Mindlink Used 33 times - That's 71.74%

11 Punishing One Expansions Bought Just For Attanni Mindlink

There's only 2 AM in the PunOne exp...

... so 17 purchases.

16 hours ago, ABXY said:

There's only 2 AM in the PunOne exp...

... so 17 purchases.

Sorry I wasn't very clear.

Punishing One Expansion was actually bought 25 times.

But it was bought 11 times purely for Attani Mindlink. As in they bought the box and then used nothing but Mindlink. Sorry if it wasn't very clear!

A tiny bit of thread resurrection, but ... you do know Han Shopped First?

https://randolphw.github.io/han-shopped-first/

It takes XWS from a squad builder or meta-wing, and tells you the cost. I think that could have saved you some work?

Nice analysis otherwise

On 7/9/2017 at 6:07 AM, mfairhu1 said:

Seems a bit odd that a Star Wars game would render Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader redundant in favour of obscure Star Wars ships and pilots.

Is that what has happened?

If so, what should be done?

Unfortunately for Vader, TLTs were released right after the advanced "fix" came out in the Raider. Those really keep him in check as the platform does not have access to Autothrusters. Maybe Intensity will give him a nice bump. At least the Vader crew card is still good.

Luke happens to share a ship with Biggs, so I think that is what is keeping him from hitting the tables. Can't make the T-65 too good or Biggs will just dominate. Also the fact Poe is just a better Luke. Too bad his crew card is garbage as well.

On 7/9/2017 at 2:07 PM, mfairhu1 said:

Seems a bit odd that a Star Wars game would render Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader redundant in favour of obscure Star Wars ships and pilots.

Is that what has happened?

If so, what should be done?

Scrub it all and start again.

For a flight ticket (without accomodation) I could get more than one complete X-Wing collections Worlds are therefore unofrtunately a no go for me

1 hour ago, SOTL said:

Scrub it all and start again.

How would it work in your opinion?

Issue new cards?

It's a topic that's been discussed and rehashed endless times and the answer is nobody knows so invent whatever you want to hear and it's as much chance of being right as anybody else's useless opinion.

Personally I don't see FFG restarting from scratch without getting everyone to buy everything all over again. Whether that's through explicitly stating it's what you have to do or by the backdoor of "you can use the old models if you want, but you'll need the cards from the new sets because the old stuff's not compatible".

Ask the Game of Thrones LCG crowd how much their loyalty and 10 year investment was worth when FFG came to reboot the game.

On 7/9/2017 at 9:07 AM, mfairhu1 said:

Seems a bit odd that a Star Wars game would render Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader redundant in favour of obscure Star Wars ships and pilots.

Is that what has happened?

If so, what should be done?

Welcome to X-Wing Miniatures game or as it is becoming known as the Obscure Star Wars Space Ship Miniatures Game.

1 minute ago, BlodVargarna said:

Welcome to X-Wing Miniatures game or as it is becoming known as the Obscure Star Wars Space Ship Miniatures Game.

Hahaha

3 minutes ago, SOTL said:

It's a topic that's been discussed and rehashed endless times and the answer is nobody knows so invent whatever you want to hear and it's as much chance of being right as anybody else's useless opinion.

Personally I don't see FFG restarting from scratch without getting everyone to buy everything all over again. Whether that's through explicitly stating it's what you have to do or by the backdoor of "you can use the old models if you want, but you'll need the cards from the new sets because the old stuff's not compatible".

Ask the Game of Thrones LCG crowd how much their loyalty and 10 year investment was worth when FFG came to reboot the game.

Ah right fair enough. If the conversation is a bit of an old chestnut then I won't dig it up.

On 09/07/2017 at 2:07 PM, mfairhu1 said:

Seems a bit odd that a Star Wars game would render Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader redundant in favour of obscure Star Wars ships and pilots.

Is that what has happened?

If so, what should be done?

If you look beyond the tabletop to video games comparatively few of them even include Luke and Vader, they usually focus on their own characters. Jan and Kyle, for instance, were invented for Dark Forces, but nobody complains about them.

Even in TTGs the other big Star Wars minis property is Imperial Assault and again, its heroes are completely made up for it, it only features movie and TV characters as NPCs and villains.

hey guys, if you check new season's results, you can judge by yourself: jm5000 is not the unbeatable beast it was use to be.

Tie sf, miranda, yt2400, rey, vessery and others are making good placements, if not winning everywhere.

4 ships rebel builts are making good as well. The competitive meta is healty imho.

i'm not scared by dengar anymore at all.

1 minute ago, alien earth said:

hey guys, if you check new season's results, you can judge by yourself: jm5000 is not the unbeatable beast it was use to be.

Tie sf, miranda, yt2400, rey, vessery and others are making good placements, if not winning everywhere.

4 ships rebel builts are making good as well. The competitive meta is healty imho.

i'm not scared by dengar anymore at all.

I'm not convinced by this argument; I've simply not seen that many J5Ks in store champ lists.

Maybe they've finally had their day in the sun and people have gone off them, but I suspect that unless there's a genuine balance change, come Regionals they'll bubble right back up.

19 minutes ago, mfairhu1 said:

Ah right fair enough. If the conversation is a bit of an old chestnut then I won't dig it up.

It's more that you were about to unwittingly dive into a black hole of community acrimony!

4 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'm not convinced by this argument; I've simply not seen that many J5Ks in store champ lists.

Maybe they've finally had their day in the sun and people have gone off them, but I suspect that unless there's a genuine balance change, come Regionals they'll bubble right back up.

If you believe meta-wing the most successful top 5 archetypes in Store Champs in the last 30 days all feature Jumpmasters.

Just now, SOTL said:

If you believe meta-wing the most successful top 5 archetypes in Store Champs in the last 30 days all feature Jumpmasters.

I was sort of expecting this kind of outcome. Store Champ results as reported by people who attended them, especially with regards to what won, are pretty much the epitome of the plural of anecdote not equalling data. If Imperials SLAMMED a single SC it doesn't mean Imperials are back, it might just mean that of the 16 people who attended that SC, none of them brought triple scouts.

Well, in my experience the Imperials are in a much better spot than expected, especially against things like Triple Scouts (I've never come close to losing to a Mindlink list because I've got much better action efficiency). The Dengar stuff is a whole different kettle of fish - I'm 0-4 against DenTel and 25-1 against everything else.

I think Imperials are at least on a par with Rebels because they're getting similar success from fewer people playing them. Scum is just head and shoulders above anything else in the game.