Got bored, blew things up, and used the pieces to build my own Rokugan

By Shiba Gunichi, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

More or less.

I decided I'd take a good look at the setting and, without regard to anyone else's sacred cows, come up with changes that' make things work better for me-

For starters- no Lion or Crane Clan. Hear me out.

Yes, I hate the Crane, but that's not why they get the axe- the thing is, as the two big piles of "default samurai," they really do nothing I need- all samurai worthy of the name should be capable of appreciating a tea ceremony, or mustering some basic martial know-how. The Lion and Crane as Clans are both "paragons" of stuff literally everyone should be doing as the basic cost of being a samurai.

The Akodo and the Kitsu remain, in a fashion, but I went totally scorched-earth on the Crane... and the Ikoma and Matsu are likewise gone.

This means that there is no super-dominant tradition of Iaijutsu- instead, you have the Mirumoto doing their Niten thing, but everyone else uses Iaijutsu as an agreed-upon social element.

For the hell of it, all Great Clans have five families. For Reasons.

So this means the Great Clans of My Rokugan and their component families are-

The Crab- Hida, Hiruma, Kuni, Kaiu, Yasuki. Very little changes with the Crab- if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The Dragon- Togashi, Kitsuki, Mirumoto and Agasha families are all the same, more or less- and I add the Tonbo as a "proper" Courtier family to reflect a Dragon Clan who keep to themselves, but don't actually hide in the mountains for centuries on end. It's just that the Tonbo are the only Dragon most Rokugani will ever see... unless the Dragon seek to test their peers. The Dragon of my Rokugan are not Togashi's secret weapon- rather, they are self-appointed judges, trying to ascertain the karma of other Rokugani, keeping their isolation to avoid muddying the waters.

The Mantis- Yoritomo, Tsuruchi, Kasuga, Komori, Tsi. My Mantis are more about distance than storms- the Komori are their primary shugenja family, keeping ships at sea in contact with home and with each other. The Kasuga traffic with foreigners, while the Yoritomo stand ready to stomp those foreigners if they have to. The Tsi have perfected a technique to preserve steel from the salt air, and their mines on the mainland also produce the raw materials to shore up the Mantis Clan's trade with other Rokugani.

The Phoenix- Isawa, Shiba, Asako, Moshi, Kaeru. The Moshi and Kaeru are added to take some of the strain off of the poor Asako- the Kaeru serve as bean-counters, quartermasters, and a little bit of non-supernatural Phoenix shadiness. The Moshi are still primarily sun-venerating priestly types, but also pick up some of the courtly slack.

The Scorpion- Bayushi, Shosuro, Soshi, Yogo, Susumu- I added the Susumu to the Scorpion because they can provide a counterpoint to the Bayushi. I also have them go unmasked, because of course you can trust them, they're the honest brokers standing between those **** Baysuhi and the rest of Rokugan. Of course they are. Why would they lie?

The Unicorn- Shinjo, Iuchi, Ide, Utaku, Moto. The Unicorn aren't Mongols with Daisho- instead, they're Rokugani who keep tabs on the Yobanjin- and fight them off when need be. If the Crab keep out the Shadowlands, the Unicorn keep the Yobanjin out of Rokugan- but also fight beside them against anyone else who comes through their lands. The Moto keep their scimitar/outlander features because their status as samurai is meant to be a secret to the Yobanjin-the Moto move among them as equals.

The Minor Clans- In my Rokugan, Minor Clans are more common- but also tend to be quasi-vassals of Great Clans, which often use them as catspaws or proxies, or simply as sources of manpower or special skills they don't wish to cultivate... samples follow, but as a general rule, I'd be whipping up more to fill out the ranks.

The Badger- Ichiro. The Badger exist under the benevolent tolerance of the Unicorn, who often call upon them when they need small units of heavy infantry.

The Boar- Heichi. Tough, savage, and hard-hitting, the Boar are used by the Scorpion when an unsubtle face-smashing is called for.

The Eel- Anago. Keepers of extensive records and with a knack for being unobtrusive, the Eel clan sometimes help their Mantis allies disseminate- or stifle- foreign texts that enter via Mantis ports.

The Falcon- Toritaka. Their focus on the spirits of the dead puts the Falcon under the Phoenix's protection.

The Fox- Kitsune. Their ties to nature and the spirit realms mean the Fox also serve under the Phoenix's banners more often than not.

The Hare- Usagi and Ujina. Hunters of men, ruthless and pragmatic, the Hare are closely associated with the Crab... for those times when you want a Hiruma, but can't spare one.

The Moth- Honmushi- The sinister wardens of the Shinomen have been known to provide the Scorpion with information found in no known human record.

The Ox- Morito. Skilled light cavalry, the Ox are kept on retainer by the mountain-dwelling Dragon when they need to engage in more open terrain.

The Snake- Chuda. As specialists on hunting down witches, the Snake Clan typically serve the Crab

The Sparrow- Humble, hard-working, and thoughtful, the Sparrow serve the Dragon by providing a different point of view while still being Samurai.

The Imperial Families:

Hantei, Otomo, Miya, Akodo, Kitsu. I fired the Seppun and gave their job to the two Lion families I saw the most need to preserve. The Kitsu's ancestral communion, in particular, seemed fitting for an Imperial Dynasty.

tl;dr?

A weird little thought exercise I figured I'd post so I could track it down later.

Where do I go if I want a vanilla samurai though. Dragons are weirdos from the mountains, Phoenix are pacifists wizard weirdos, Crabs are the Attack on Titan weirdos, Scorpion are the mask wearing mustache twirling weirdos, and Mantis are pirate samurai weirdos, while Unicorn are the gaijin weirdos.

Edited by WHW

Suggestion: Combine Crane and Lion, turn them into sacred protectors of the Imperial District, make them the vanilla samurai and reintroduce their lion-ess and crane-ess as two different and competing philosophies of serving the Emperor while the Clan has to basically both be able to enforce capitals whims and provide the empire with administrative unity.

Basically, combine Left and Right hand of the Emperor into a single clan, and make them empires equivalent of Tonbo for the Emperor.

Edited by WHW

I'm with WHW on this one.

His suggestion is really nice, I could see myself play in that setting ^^

I feel sad to have been absorbed by the Dragon.

Otherwise an interesting read, but I wouldn't use it myself.

It would be interesting to see an empire that came out of the Five Rings Heresy with Five clans: Crab, Dragon, Hawk, Lion and Phoenix.

Interesting. I'll have a think about this. I've been toying with posting my own remix of Rokugan, so it's fascinating to see yours.

My initial thoughts are that your view is intuitively very different from WHW's. You don't want there to be a clan of vanilla samirai; she does want there to be a clan of vanilla samurai. We can say "every clan includes lots of vanilla samurai", but this doesn't feel satisfying.

By vanilla I mean "without fundamentally defining weirdness", "playable right after I got hyped by watching anime kurosawa movie or whatever". A gateway clan, "a boring human" of DND (Hi, I'm a player who never plays anything that's not Boring Human in settings with nonhuman or nearhuman races).

Anyway, I was thinking about this a little more when taking a walk, and:

1. Fuse Lion, Crane and Imperial Families together

2. Make them caretakers and protectors of THE Imperial Family, which territorially occupies a small-Clan worth of land in the center of our Cralion Clan

3. Deemphasize Emperor as the actual governor and ruler of the Empire, and CRANK UP TO THE ELEVEN his role as a divinely mandated religious head of the Empire, and a unifying symbol that makes all the peasants work their hardest and praise the Sun

4. Make Cralions the caretakers of Imperial Unity - its their duty to maintain imperial army that is used to reign in peasant rebellions, can be requested by other clans as a assistance in their duties, and who protect the imperial trade and taxation. Make them also the caretakers of imperial bureaucracy - a complicated, efficient system that helps pool the resource of the Empire and redistribute it to those who need it the most. Ditto for the law - basically, they work their asses off to make pleading your loyalty to Emperor and playing nicely with each other a profitable deal, because you get to tap into centuries of well maintained administration that can be easily installed and maintained without you paying a dime, because Imperials don't charge for it (because that's what part of the taxes goes for).

So basically, while their core identity would be pretty vanilla - loyal samurai who serve the emperor and don't have much defining weirdness - you could give them a clear duty of being protectors of imperial status quo - the negotiators, peace makers, constantly undermanned (even though they rock massive numbers) and constantly fearing of being overpowered (because their massive armed force has to be spread thin around the Empire). The guys and girls who are constantly trying to maintain the balance of interests between Clans and be useful enough to everyone, while also being standalone enough that if the push comes to shove, they can slap the wrist of Clan A when they seriously misbehave.

All of this while Imperial Family is living in a Forbidden District, chasing butterflies and overall being pure and idyllic, so that every peasant in the empire can feel like they serve under the same living god...while the actual politics are decided by warlords of the Clans who conveniently agreed to be part of the Empire so they can reap the benefits of shared administration and other membership perks, like "religious and cultural identity and unity".

In your "5 Families per Clan", I would give them Akodo, Doji, Miya, Seppun and Kitsu.

Edited by WHW

Call me biased, but the Scorpion fit the "stereotypical samurai" pretty perfectly - masters of both the sword and the pen and highly traditional. All the setting material we have to draw on places emphasis on the fact that the vast majority of the clan are not, in fact, mustache-twirling villains (over-hyped by the player-base and the necessity of the card game), even if a few of them (usually leadership) are somewhat villainous. (Tokugawa Shogunate parallel, anybody? Bayushi = Tokugawa, Shosuro = Hattori Honzo, etc.)

Besides, without a Leadership to debunk, and a Crane clan to always dominate the courts and position of Imperial Spouse, the Scorpion would naturally be more downplayed in their stereotype. :)

Edited by Bayushi Tsubaki

Scorpion don't really fit the vanilla samurai because they are a weird mask wearing culture with a very Special Snowflake Unique interpretation of honor. The aesthetics matter.

2 hours ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I feel sad to have been absorbed by the Dragon.

Otherwise an interesting read, but I wouldn't use it myself.

It would be interesting to see an empire that came out of the Five Rings Heresy with Five clans: Crab, Dragon, Hawk, Lion and Phoenix.

I'd rather combine Scorpion and Crane into 'Raven'.

Just now, Togashi Gao Shan said:

I'd rather combine Scorpion and Crane into 'Raven'.

I can see where you're coming from with that, but Hawk was the clan name proposed in the Imperial Histories chapter on the Heresy of the Five Rings.

Just now, Tonbo Karasu said:

I can see where you're coming from with that, but Hawk was the clan name proposed in the Imperial Histories chapter on the Heresy of the Five Rings.

True, I just didn't really like it then, and still feel Raven fits better. Using 'Crow' would feel weird, even if you axe its association with Shinsei (and thus the Brotherhood).

I actually have my own fantasy "East-Asian" world I've been tinkering with for quite awhile, and it does have a faction with a Raven as its symbol; they are a bit like a mix of Crane and Scorpion (a bit more Scorpion, though, mostly). They're part of an alliance of three independent states that band together to resist being absorbed into the Glorious Empire. Along with those two factions, there's an alliance of nonhuman races that are sick of humans pushing them out of their traditional lands, a group monks that follow the guidance of celestial dragons (some are kinda sorta like the Dragon Clan, but there's a lot of differences), and finally an insidious cult that started with some of the monk group corrupting / driving mad three dragons in a bid for immortality (it's since expanded to both willing traitors from other factions, and some people that have been brain-bombed into slavery, more or less).

I would replace/rename the Otomo as the Doji, folding in their courtier/art specialties.

This leaves 8 families with direct ties back to the Kami, and leaves the "Paragon" templates in play, but in a much lesser role, and within the Imperials. Which makes more sense, because who but royalty could spend all their time focusing on that stuff anyway?

Other than that, I like the look of it.

Edited by jcharpjr71

While I'm not fond of your blowing up of the Lion, and rather like the loss of the Crane (muahaha), I think you have interesting ideas going on.

I have my own "fan-Rokugan" that I'm attempting to start making a fan-fic of, where there are 9 Great Clans and lots of minor clans, Ryoshun never died and founded his own clan, the Hawk, and Yoritomo was a kami from the beginning, forming the Mantis to protect the coasts of Rokugan, with vastly different Mantis families.

9 hours ago, WHW said:

Where do I go if I want a vanilla samurai though.

You run a samurai of any Clan whatsoever and you don't let the clan's specialty define them to a deforming cookie-cutter degree.

A Shiba, an Utaku, a Shinjo, a Hiruma, a Bayushi...

Edited by Shiba Gunichi

Is it just me or does the title of this thread read like a bumper sticker on Fu Leng's onyx and obsidian Cadillac?

5 minutes ago, Ishi Tonu said:

Is it just me or does the title of this thread read like a bumper sticker on Fu Leng's onyx and obsidian Cadillac?

I think he'd go with

GAS,GRASS, OR *** NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE:lol:

17 minutes ago, Ishi Tonu said:

Is it just me or does the title of this thread read like a bumper sticker on Fu Leng's onyx and obsidian Cadillac?

ROFLMAO!!!!!

You win the forums for the day! :D

Let's go a step further and get rid of all the great clans and have each family be their own clan. Things could get messy real quick, but it'd be pretty fun.

22 minutes ago, HirumaShigure said:

Let's go a step further and get rid of all the great clans and have each family be their own clan. Things could get messy real quick, but it'd be pretty fun.

Only if the Shiba can be the Gopher clan.:P

The Shiba on their own would be practically impossible to recognize...

7 minutes ago, Shiba Gunichi said:

The Shiba on their own would be practically impossible to recognize...

I suppose they could all bodygaurd each other.

Nah, it'd end up being like a scene from Top Secret

'step slide step slide step slide':P

Edited by Kuni Katsuyoshi

Maybe they could be the clan to guard Isawa's Last Wish for all time? Or has that been played out too long? Guard it from the Isawa. :P

2 minutes ago, HirumaShigure said:

Maybe they could be the clan to guard Isawa's Last Wish for all time? Or has that been played out too long? Guard it from the Isawa. :P

You would think Isawa's last wish would be to not die.:P

Isawa's Last Wish: Came Back From the Dead More Often Than Toturi, Kisada, and the Kolat Combined.