MC80 with Defiance Title

2x Assault Frigates, 1 with Paragon title

All three equipped with Quad Battery Turrets

Some token squadrons like 4x X-Wings and Jan Ors, maybe Tycho or something of that ilk.

Could it work?

When did Ackbar left? Its been meta here since release...

Plus, Ackbar + Paragon are not real friends. The new stuff is adding blue dices at long distance, ackbar addds red dices already. Cant see how it works besides an expensive mc80, since whales cannot equip Ion Cannons for leading shots. And the Mc80 cannot equip Gunnery team.

BFF for ackbar still whales + gt + any turbolaser you feel like. EA if you can afford. It. New have has nothing to do with ackbar imo.

To be honest I'm not sure how much quads will add to ackbar. One of the key issues for ackbar is not numbers of dice but instead issues with dice modification.

Pin your ackbar fleet

CR90s will still want to run TLRC for red mitigation.

Assault frigates would gain from quads, but you will be throwing out a bucket of reds with no mitigation, and with reds your asking for dross.....and you could instead have duels for mitigation.

MC80s home one would be a winner because it could activate leading shots at long range, but it's one ship and expensive.

So all in all I don't thing it significantly changes up ackbar, it just strengthens home one a bit as pick for flag ship.

1 hour ago, Shadow345 said:

MC80 with Defiance Title

2x Assault Frigates, 1 with Paragon title

All three equipped with Quad Battery Turrets

Some token squadrons like 4x X-Wings and Jan Ors, maybe Tycho or something of that ilk.

Could it work?

Ackbar and Paragon do not work well together. The chance to attack the same target with your left and right side is really low.
And if you are not using Ackbar, you give up two red dice for one extra black dice.

Don't forget, only the ship with the Paradgon has to attack to trigger the titel for the extra die. if anyother of your ships attacked earlier it does not count.

1 hour ago, Tokra said:

Ackbar and Paragon do not work well together. The chance to attack the same target with your left and right side is really low.
And if you are not using Ackbar, you give up two red dice for one extra black dice.

Don't forget, only the ship with the Paradgon has to attack to trigger the titel for the extra die. if anyother of your ships attacked earlier it does not count.

Is this actually true?

It's cool if it is but maybe I interpreted Paragon the wrong way.

1 minute ago, Shadow345 said:

Is this actually true?

It's cool if it is but maybe I interpreted Paragon the wrong way.

Yes, it is. The Paradon say: "while attacking a ship you have already attacked..."

The you means the ship with the upgrade. So the Mark II with the Paragon.
Only if the paragon already attacked the same target in this round, it get one extra black die on the second attack.

IMO this is one of the most worthless titels, and 5 points is to much for it.

Ackbar MC80 Defiance is probably the biggest winner because it can equip Leading Shots, Quad Battery Turrets, AND Engine Techs. It's a naturally slow ship that you can keep at speed 1 or 2 and with Engine Techs actually go further and keep up with those faster ships. Between Quad Battery Turrets and Defiance, you have 2 solid ways to keep long range Leading Shots going for those mass red dice. Question eventually becomes, is Quad Battery Turrets going to be a better buy than XI7s which is arguably the best turbolaser to equip to a large ship currently.

Its going to be a thing, 5-6 red dice at long range with a Leading shots reroll! Ackbar never left the building but now he will be wrecking face every turn your in range. Small based ships will feel the pain...... or so I hope! Demo oh poor Demo, this wont be kind to you!

I thought strategic brought ackbar back.

1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

I thought strategic brought ackbar back.

Ackbar never left. He just got stronger.

1 minute ago, Undeadguy said:

Ackbar never left. He just got stronger.

I'm pretty sure he nipped out for a few minutes at the end of wave two to visit the snackbar.

1 hour ago, RStan said:

Ackbar MC80 Defiance is probably the biggest winner because it can equip Leading Shots, Quad Battery Turrets, AND Engine Techs. It's a naturally slow ship that you can keep at speed 1 or 2 and with Engine Techs actually go further and keep up with those faster ships. Between Quad Battery Turrets and Defiance, you have 2 solid ways to keep long range Leading Shots going for those mass red dice. Question eventually becomes, is Quad Battery Turrets going to be a better buy than XI7s which is arguably the best turbolaser to equip to a large ship currently.

It's the home one title that really wins, getting a long range leading shots makes up for the big issue with this title against defiance.

34 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I thought strategic brought ackbar back.

I really need a VCX based small fighter group. Cant see one though. No Valen

6 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

I really need a VCX based small fighter group. Cant see one though. No Valen

I had some success with;

2x VCX

Biggs

2x Xwing

Jan

This was built to screen ackbar/strat lists. Its not small, per say, but it isnt max fighters either and it takes time to chew through. Could also just toss tycho/shara/2x VCXs out there I guess but meh.

12 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

I really need a VCX based small fighter group. Cant see one though. No Valen

2 VCX
2 A-Wing
Tycho + Shara

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

I really need a VCX based small fighter group. Cant see one though. No Valen

Hey @Madaghmire, small...... cheers though. Sorta confirmed my thoughts

1 hour ago, Johnnyreb said:

It's the home one title that really wins, getting a long range leading shots makes up for the big issue with this title against defiance.

This is my thought as well. Home One is the better overall title for the fleet, but it comes at the expense of reliable long range firepower. Getting QBT blue dice at long range allows Home One to do the same leading shots shenanigans that Defiance can already do.

25 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Hey @Madaghmire, small...... cheers though. Sorta confirmed my thoughts

Yeah I hear you. That was as small as I've managed to make it myself. You could also maybe just throw 4x VCX's? Even thats 60 points, but its a chunka chunka trouble.

@Ginkapo I played against a squad that was just 3 VCX with flight controllers and Toryn. It tore apart my higher point invested screen suprisingly quick. Maybe instead of adding in more squads, for the price of an extra X-Wing you can build in the tools to make the VCX's themselves a capable squad compliment.

Just an idea from something I ran into that I thought was creative and effective.

3 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

I'm pretty sure he nipped out for a few minutes at the end of wave two to visit the snackbar.

Hee... Ackbar's snackbar... why isn't that a real place

13 minutes ago, TheToad said:

Hee... Ackbar's snackbar... why isn't that a real place

Might be, come Disneyland's Star Wars expansion.

For the moment, its mostly because it bound up in Legal Trademark issues.

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