Trying to plan for the future, what sorts of lists can come out of storage on the day it happens?
Actually now that I am thinking about it...maybe nothing really. I can't be sure jumps and or attani is actually keeping Anything away.
Might not even be a legitimate scenario to ask the question...ah well....I'm asking anyways.
Still jumps
#patternanalyzer
Edited by ficklegreendiceAs you already implied, I'm not so sure Jumpmasters are keeping anything down so much as just standing head and shoulders above the rest.
Asajj+Latts will stay very popular.
I suspect there are a lot of lists that are only not flown much right now because Jumpmasters can do the same archetype slightly better. For example, there are a lot of 2-large-ship combos that are very good, but probably not quite as good as Dengar/Tel. Getting rid of Jumpmasters doesn't make those lists stronger or remove any of their counters. It just means you're more free to drop down to the next best thing.
Edited by EdgeOfDreamsShadow Casters and Fenn continue to be stupid good, and the new wave will make bombs and TLTs crazy.
1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:Shadow Casters and Fenn continue to be stupid good
That's why the Empire has Darth Vader crew! WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR DEFENSE DICE.
Casual play. Because it never wasn't great.
Just now, Warlon said:That's why the Empire has Darth Vader crew! WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR DEFENSE DICE.
Shadow Casters will love it if you want to eat yourself to kill them.
12 minutes ago, EdgeOfDreams said:I suspect there are a lot of lists that are only not flown much right now because Jumpmasters can do the same archetype slightly better. For example, there are a lot of 2-large-ship combos that are very good, but probably not quite as good as Dengar/Tel. Getting rid of Jumpmasters doesn't make those lists stronger or remove any of their counters. It just means you're more free to drop down to the next best thing.
This. Remember the last time you saw Bossk? Probably before Justin Phua pointed everyone in the direction of Tel Trevura, eh?
Just now, BoxerlessBossk said:This. Remember the last time you saw Bossk? Probably before Justin Phua pointed everyone in the direction of Tel Trevura, eh?
Yup, Ketsu Bossk hasn't stopped being good.
Shadow casters cant trivially nuke your deci, though
Just now, ficklegreendice said:Shadow casters cant trivially nuke your deci, though
Deci struggles to clear arc of them and struggles to kill them fast enough not to die itself.
10 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:Shadow Casters will love it if you want to eat yourself to kill them.
That's what Whisper is there for.
And Kylo Ren.
And every other meta Imperial ship
What immediately becomes great again the MOMENT jumps and attani are nerfed a peg or two?
X-Wing Miniatures Game.
1 hour ago, Herowannabe said:
X-Wing Miniatures Game.
You're going to be disappointed then
1 hour ago, Warlon said:That's what Whisper is there for.
And Kylo Ren.
And every other meta Imperial ship
Assaj is a solid counter to Whisper. Kylo has to hit to work, which against Assaj is tricky, and can even be tough against Ketsu.
Double Casters will not stop being good, nor will Ketsu/Bossk.
11 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:You're going to be disappointed then
Nah, I really don't think X-Wing is as broken as many people on the forums seem to think it is, but I couldn't pass up the opportunity for that response.
Things still aren't anywhere near as bad as they were during the pre-nerf TIE Phantom / Fat Han days. The dark days.
There are a LOT of ships and lists out there that are solid and effective, there are still just a few things that are exceptionally good (jumpmasters are definitely one of them) that could stand being brought down a notch or two.
Edited by Herowannabe1 hour ago, Herowannabe said:There are a LOT of ships and lists out there that are solid and effective, there are still just a few things that are exceptionally good (jumpmasters are definitely one of them) that could stand being brought down a notch or two.
Yeah, what I've been hearing is that the new nerfing will complete the "Bringing Balance" in reigning in of Jumps, Attani, Biggs, and Sabine...but with the new Scugg Expansion preview, I'm not so sure they'll go through with Sabine's nerf as it looks they've planned and printed her balanced crew for the Scum side. Maybe there is an Imp card coming next? Maybe the chick Archeologist in the comics that assists Vader? IDK.
In any event, it's curious about the Shadowcaster as it is very powerful now and would be the go-to Ace assistant when the Jumps are collared. It will be interesting. Personally, I have very little experience with the dangers of Asajj and Ketsu as Torpedoes and EM seem to eat them up as Fenn just chills, but I might not have met my match, haha. I heard some intelligent discussion --believe it or no-- on the Krayts podcast that seemed to make the point that Asajj/Latts is the real power in the Scum faction......but there again, IDK.
Well see how it plays out post 4.3.4 as I haven't heard any anti-Shadowcaster rumblings.
not sure mindlink is really a problem, honestly, if you nerf TLT, a horde of ships become instantly better...
B-wings, X-wings, the attack shuttle, z-95s, hwk-290s, g1-as, kihraxzes, scyks, quad jumpers, Tie advanceds, Tie advanced prototypes, tie bombers, tie strikers, tie fighters, tie f/os and even a-wings and tie interceptors.
Ooooh I know! Bombs! They ....... they will be the next thing everyone is complaining about.
4 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:Assaj is a solid counter to Whisper. Kylo has to hit to work, which against Assaj is tricky, and can even be tough against Ketsu.
Double Casters will not stop being good, nor will Ketsu/Bossk.
Welcome to the glorious world of PS 9 and intelligence agent, my friend.
In all seriousness, I've only flown against a Shadowcaster once, and it was with triple defenders so I haven't exactly developed a strategy towards them other than "Shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill." Which, come to think of it, has worked fairly well so far...
2 hours ago, Ravncat said:not sure mindlink is really a problem, honestly, if you nerf TLT, a horde of ships become instantly better...
B-wings, X-wings, the attack shuttle, z-95s, hwk-290s, g1-as, kihraxzes, scyks, quad jumpers, Tie advanceds, Tie advanced prototypes, tie bombers, tie strikers, tie fighters, tie f/os and even a-wings and tie interceptors.
It's almost like TLTs are keeping the anti Jumpmaster ships from shining...
Hmm, it's almost like we were right in our predictions with that weapon...
3 hours ago, Ravncat said:not sure mindlink is really a problem, honestly, if you nerf TLT, a horde of ships become instantly better...
This would honestly fit their MO, Imps finally get a TLT carrier so it's time to nerf it.
I really think whatever they have planned will either shake up the meta violently or cause such a noneffect they shouldn't have bothered with the faq ink. I truly hope it's the former but there usually isn't an inbetween with them.
twin laser turrets, and after that fat han and super dash.
America. America becomes great again.