20 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Unless the TIE's get into the Range One bubble, that is. Or block. Or have higher PS. Or all three.

20 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

Which was my point about not having Unhinged Astromech.

It is only a half a bubble (or 3/4 if you want to get technical). Unlike the Outrider, Y-wings don't give up their primary firepower and you can have more than one Y-wing. As for higher PS you can have all Grey squadron TLTs.

Or you could just say Wave 1 only and leave them to ion turrets and TLTs are out of the question which was the original joke.

4 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

As for higher PS you can have all Grey squadron TLTs.

4 grey squadrons with TLT is 104 points.

Edit: You may be joking. But we're at least semi serious.

10 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

4 grey squadrons with TLT is 104 points.

So is 8 Obsidian squadron pilots. So to out PS them you will have to leave some back in the 1 range. Point is the swarm can't handle TLT Y-wings or else they would have made a reappearance in Wave 7. Scum wasn't the only faction to be flying them around to great effect.

1 hour ago, Rakky Wistol said:

Not just min, everyone's! Attani does let me do those things and then another ship with Attani focuses and all my Attani ships get focus.

So either you're arguing just to argue or don't understand how it works.

The three points you spend on three ships with Attani cost the same as PTL on one other ship and allow you to token stack just like PTL or take another action. You can't Boost and BR the same turn but it has to have some "drawback". But then again you get the free focus regardless of your other statuses as long as you're alive and another ship with it is alive.

His whole point is that you're locked into one action being a focus. You can't doulbe reposition, etc. Not that it's bad, (since clearly it's not), but it's not exactly the same as PTL. It's WAY easier to get shots at a fenn rau (and even to hit him) than it is a ptl soontir.

11 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

His whole point is that you're locked into one action being a focus. You can't doulbe reposition, etc. Not that it's bad, (since clearly it's not), but it's not exactly the same as PTL. It's WAY easier to get shots at a fenn rau (and even to hit him) than it is a ptl soontir.

Oh no doubt it's not as good at the reposition game but that's about it. For 2pts less it's better in most lists...otherwise they would be taking PTL. Most are not.

I'd be really interested to see how it would be used by the empire if it wasn't Scum only.

6 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

OK, so Attanni doesn't do what Push the Limit does then,. does it? So your earlier post was hyperbole, wasn't it? Got it. Thanks!

As in PTL does the same thing that Vader does only worse? Sure.

Attani does allow the action efficiency of PTL for 2pts cheaper. It's limitations are that you can't double reposition and you have to have 2 active ships; if you can live with that, it's a bargain. Most current scum lists see it as such otherwise they'd take PTL (and some do). They token stack, point fortress, and alpha strike you off the board before it's drawbacks are even in play

And remember, my part of this discussion started assuming we're dealing with U-boats. When you can get exactly the part that you need from PTL for 2pts cheaper on a ship that undercosted and you can multiply that savings by 2-3 then PTL's "can't double reposition" superiority isn't really needed (large base ship, High HP, 360'arc, and white sloop).

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32 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

It's WAY easier to get shots at a fenn rau (and even to hit him) than it is a ptl soontir.

...or a PtL Fenn Rau, for that matter. And one on one, PtL Rau would wreck Attanni Rau.

Just now, FTS Gecko said:

...or a PtL Fenn Rau, for that matter. And one on one, PtL Rau would wreck Attanni Rau.

This.

I have flipped out Attani on a FennBoats squad in a mirror match to try and get an edge and it's not even close.

As the FAQ approaches (that'll lower our OP Boats and Attani's power), I've been looking at non-Attani squads and playing with other EPTs. Fenn definitely loves PTL. I'm not sure about dropping one Boat, or both for another lesser-Ace and a Shadowcaster instead? IDK. Maybe the new Scrugg will be the unlimited bomb and Turret ship the Scum aces need?

2 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

This.

I have flipped out Attani on a FennBoats squad in a mirror match to try and get an edge and it's not even close.

As the FAQ approaches (that'll lower our OP Boats and Attani's power), I've been looking at non-Attani squads and playing with other EPTs. Fenn definitely loves PTL. I'm not sure about dropping one Boat, or both for another lesser-Ace and a Shadowcaster instead? IDK. Maybe the new Scrugg will be the unlimited bomb and Turret ship the Scum aces need?

How do you know they'll nerf those two? They've hit boats 4-5 times, and things are starting to balance out in store champ data, still scum weighted, but a new wave is on the way...

It really depends on how Jumpmasters and attani are nerfed. History points to the core issues with the Jumpmaster not being addressed, and instead we'll have fixes to other upgrade cards the Jumpmaster exploits. That means the only thing that will change is the Jumpmaster's loadout, as it will just use its inherent undercostedness to exploit other upgrade cards and remain the top dog.