10 minutes ago, SmurfWedge said:Caldias I'm looking forward to your explanation.....seeming more and more suspicious to me....especially as you're "working" on a response.
Hahaha, how is my saying I'm working on a response suspicious? I ate a bagel this morning, which probably is also suspicious.
Haha. Fair enough....just my suspicious mind at play.
As a fellow newbie I like your explanation. It's tough knowing who is who isn't it.
I really don't know now.
If it is Biggs then he has led us all down a merry path like sheep to the slaughter.
11 minutes ago, Caldias said:@BiggsIRL - Townii McNotscum - Probably town, but the Truthiness thing looks a smidge suspicious, especially since he seemed so sure. Also has been claiming his death is inevitable but is hereto unscathed. Could be he is scum, or could be scum trying to discredit him.
If there was a suspicion, why would you wait for his analysis, which would be undoubtedly biased if he was scum?
13 minutes ago, Caldias said:Also might be innocent, as he did unvote me on Day 2
So the chances of him being innocent is because he unvoted you, ergo he is no longer suspecting you as much?
Yeah, like I said, I am terrible at this.
1 minute ago, Visovics said:If there was a suspicion, why would you wait for his analysis, which would be undoubtedly biased if he was scum?
So the chances of him being innocent is because he unvoted you, ergo he is no longer suspecting you as much?
I'm saying that there was a smidge of suspicion for Biggs! I am pretty certain he is fine, but there is a smidge, which means a small amount, of suspicion. Just trying to come at all angles. Happy to hear your thoughts! I think anything I do at this point is gonna be viewed as scummy.
With regard to Ovi, he is my most suspicious, but that means very little. I am less than fifty fifty. I know one of us has to be scum, as per the rules, but I really am at a loss as to which one. Ovi to me seemed the most likely, but I am probably just reading too much into his jokes. I know he likes to joke, as he indicated in the quotes, but I was just thinking he could be using humor as a shield. Like I said, I am NOT GREAT at this.
3 hours ago, Caldias said:Yeah, like I said, I am terrible at this.
I'm saying that there was a smidge of suspicion for Biggs! I am pretty certain he is fine, but there is a smidge, which means a small amount, of suspicion. Just trying to come at all angles. Happy to hear your thoughts! I think anything I do at this point is gonna be viewed as scummy.
With regard to Ovi, he is my most suspicious, but that means very little. I am less than fifty fifty. I know one of us has to be scum, as per the rules, but I really am at a loss as to which one. Ovi to me seemed the most likely, but I am probably just reading too much into his jokes. I know he likes to joke, as he indicated in the quotes, but I was just thinking he could be using humor as a shield. Like I said, I am NOT GREAT at this.
I voted Biggs at day 1. Yes.
But:
Gink voted me. Maybe smoke screen, of course.
However why I voted Truthiness when you did he job for me? That's quite stupid and the true answer is that I was a townie player more worried about finding scum than counting votes. It would be stupid to hammer him. Even more stupid to over hammer.
Why I killed Ghost? No idea he was doc and, actually, he was the only true defender I had at D1.
Why I killed Madaghmire? He suspected about me but he made the best point of me being townie.
I take the Gink lynching in is right value. That was a race against the clock and the hammer with two heavy weights fighting each other. Bad votes there are not too incriminating and at the same time is the best situation to hide a scum vote against a mate, I think.
Truthiness lynching is other thing. It is d2 and was built up too quickly based on a non quite precise reasoning (at the light of later events). No fight, just one direction quickly followed. Here the no-votes has a good value for me. There is the chance of the town moving too quickly but I really think there is a scum vote right here. Biggs would be the most obvious and not a really good scum play IMHO. Maybe we hope too much from him but I think it is not the case.
Why Ghost died? Because
******* PHONE!!
WHY DO YOU CLOSE THE KEYBOARD AND MAKE ME PUSH SUBMIT??!!!
Trying to follow my speech.
Why Ghost died? Because doc? Anyone knew that. I mean it seems anyone read my claim, a quite obvious one. Who could read his claim? I think what he thought was the reason and not what he was. After Gink flipped scum, whoever voted Biggs must survive. Madaghmire and Truthiness were suspicious enough. Biggs claimed cop and could be protected if the scum was not a strongman. But he could be blocked. Targets: visovics, ghost, smurf and broba. Smurf is following whatever. Broba wanted noobs alive (so kind, so unhelpful), ghost pointed to caldias for being out and appearing just to put me at h-2.
Why madaghmire died? He hammered a townie and was suspicious with Truthiness. After truth flipped townie he would be a main suspect for d3. He claimed townie strongman. A dangerous thing but dangerous to who? In his main d2 post he pointed basically to three: me, CNinja and Caldias.
One of the thing cause he suspect about me was that I claimed strongman but I already corrected that mistake.
CNinja and Caldias. Both voted Biggs but Caldias put me at h-2, and only voted for Biggs when he saw a chance of a tie after Gink asked for that. Caldias voted Truthiness, what CNinja didn't.
Yeah, I can't argue with you there. Your logic seems fairly sound. Day one vote was completely botched on my part, totally agree there. I didn't understand the implications of what was going on, I saw two people moving fast, and picked one. I've explained this before, as you are aware. I put you at H-2 but Day One, unless I'm wrong, we are mostly fumbling in the dark, no? I know I was. I had no idea who to point to, changed my vote cause I was indecisive, and even now I am at a loss as to who to accuse.
As for day 2, well, I know I screwed up Day One, and I didn't want to drag the team down with me. So, since everyone knew Biggs was town, I said I'd vote for whoever he voted for. And I stuck by that, and I own it now. I was the 2nd vote for Truth IIRC. You're right, that one might have been too hasty, moved too fast as you say. Had Biggs not had a compelling argument, I might've gone back on my word to follow his lead, but his argument made sense (to my inexperienced self, for whatever that's worth).
I have faith we'll get to the bottom of this. Biggs said there's at least one more scum, possibly two, so town is still ahead of the curve, but here's hoping we get it right this vote.
Beep. Boop. Whir.
Interpretation:
My main suspects right now are Biggs, Caldias, and Ovinomanc3r. I'm going to post separate thoughts on each.
On 7/9/2017 at 0:10 PM, Truthiness said:Well this is fun. Have fun getting hanged tomorrow Biggs. Guess I shouldn't have trusted you. Scum just killed our chat.
12 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:Okay, point #1, why on earth haven't scum killed me yet? Possibility #1 - they have been roleblocking me each night. Possibility #2 - they have a rolecop and knew I was lying from Night 1. Possibility #3 - they plan to run a train on me today. Maybe some combination of the two.
Point #2 why on earth would I have hunted Truthiness down if I was all but cleared town, I was in a masonry with him, and he said he was going to invite more people into the masonry that were effectively cleared town, if I was scum?
Long BEEP.
Interpretation:
On Biggs...
We have to consider the result of his super railroading of Truthiness. In Biggs' point #1, there is a fourth possibility...that he's scum. The problem is that his second point is absolutely valid. Why in the hell it would make sense for him to run Truthiness into the ground the way he did? There are only two explanations. One, he has set us up, and there is something we are missing (some combo of powers/remaining scum.) Two, something that happened in the chat between him and Truthiness outed him, and he had to get him lynched fast. Again, all of these are highly doubtful in my opinion. Therefore, while I think Biggs has to be on a list of suspects, I see the probability is something like 80% dumb play, 20% genius/desperate scum play.
On 7/7/2017 at 11:56 AM, Caldias said:I need to vote too, and I still don't know who to believe.
##vote BiggsIRL
If only because that buys us a day of nobody dying.
On 7/9/2017 at 11:25 AM, Caldias said:Huh. I actually thought Truthiness might've been okay (the chatlog seemed convincing) but this is a solid argument, I think. I am starting to wonder if my logic circuits are even cut out for this game! I said my vote is whatever Biggs votes, and I wasn't BSing.
##vote Truthiness
10 hours ago, Caldias said:Yeah, like I said, I am terrible at this.
Long BOOP.
Interpretation:
We have to consider Caldias because of his voting record. If we look at just the voting record, Caldias is the only player (not counting Ovinomanc3rs late vote) be on the "wrong" side of the vote both days. This is definitely an issue. The question here is, has he explained his poor decisions? Caldias definitely doesn't look like he knows what he's doing. Do we buy that? I see the probability as 50% noob town struggle, 50% noob scum struggle.
6 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:Why I killed Ghost?
Why I killed Madaghmire?
6 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:Why I killed Ghost? No idea he was doc and, actually, he was the only true defender I had at D1.
6 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:Why Ghost died? Because doc? Anyone knew that.
Long Whir:
Interpretation:
We have to consider Ovinomanc3r because of his overall game-play. Are these first quotes Freudian slips? Why does he totally contradict himself in two back to back quotes. Is there another reason why he sneaked in a late vote on Truth? With Ovin this game, it has not been any one big thing. It has been a lot of little things. I don't specifically mean "jokes" either. I mean not understanding his train of thought/reason behind his postings. He seems rattled this game. The question is what is behind this? Are these just misunderstandings? Or is he hiding something? I see the probability as 50% misunderstood, 50% sinister.
1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:
Long Whir:
Interpretation:
We have to consider Ovinomanc3r because of his overall game-play. Are these first quotes Freudian slips? Why does he totally contradict himself in two back to back quotes. Is there another reason why he sneaked in a late vote on Truth? With Ovin this game, it has not been any one big thing. It has been a lot of little things. I don't specifically mean "jokes" either. I mean not understanding his train of thought/reason behind his postings. He seems rattled this game. The question is what is behind this? Are these just misunderstandings? Or is he hiding something? I see the probability as 50% misunderstood, 50% sinister.
Why I contradicted myself?
I just say that I have no reason to kill Ghost. First cause I don't know he was doc. Second cause he was my only defender.
Then I ask for the reason to anyone else to kill Ghost. I don't think being doc should be the first cause we don't know about anyone who knew it. We have to see other things. And his suspects are out best chance.
He didn't write list as others but during d1 all he did was
1. Stuff about hus name.
2. Defend me.
3. Suspect about smurf and Caldias. He suspected also about the pair of madaghmire but both are dead.
4. Join Biggs against Gink and keep his vote there no matter if caldias asked for a reason or Gink claimed doc.
Not too much, of course but that's all he gave us.
I am curious about Madaghmire dead.
Why he didn't kill anyone after he claimed?
A jailkeeper is not a normal blocker. He doesn't block, he protects and, in addition, blocks. Scum couldn't block him and kill him.
So Madaghmire just skipped his night action.
Or
He killed Biggs but our dear fake cop is alive since his claim. Two nights!! That points to a jailkeeper blocking him. So scum actually saved Biggs and killed Madaghmire.
Two questions: @Onidsen
Can the jailkeeper protect himself? I suppose that yes. As a watcher I could watch myself.
If the mafia killer is blocked could he perform his night kill even if he blocked himself? I suppose that not, he cannot.
Depending on the answer to this question we can completely exonerate Biggs.
1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:Depending on the answer to this question we can completely exonerate Biggs.
Well, unless two scum left.
6 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:Two questions: @Onidsen
Can the jailkeeper protect himself? I suppose that yes. As a watcher I could watch myself.
If the mafia killer is blocked could he perform his night kill even if he blocked himself? I suppose that not, he cannot.
Jailkeeper cannot self - target. That would result in them roleblocking their own action. Also, the Jailkeeper would not block the strongman kill - that can't be blocked by any means.
If a mafia were roleblocked by a jailkeeper, they could not put in the kill.
21 minutes ago, Onidsen said:Jailkeeper cannot self - target. That would result in them roleblocking their own action. Also, the Jailkeeper would not block the strongman kill - that can't be blocked by any means.
If a mafia were roleblocked by a jailkeeper, they could not put in the kill.
Thanks.
I confused strongman with vigilante.
So then the options are
- madaghmire didn't use his night kill.
- madaghmire was blocked and killed by a scum strongman.
Sorry Biggs, you are not 100% exonerated.
So I am totally on the fence with this vote......I could go either way.
Based on the above Biggs is looking suspicious but saying that if he is scum then he has played brilliantly.......not entirely convinced either way though.
At the moment I feel like I'm sleeping with one eye open as I cant trust ANYONE
16 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:
@ovinomanc3r - As hilariously wrong as Caldias with his votes. Voted for Caldias, during the Day 2 voting party. Voted for Mad (town), me in the Biggs/Gink vote off, and Truth (late, but tried to get in on it anyway). Truthiness and Ghost trusted him enough to want to invite him to their chat, for what it is worth.
Looking at what Biggs wrote earlier it sort of swayed me towards Ovi
Every vote has been for Town it seems and got in the chat with Truth and Ghost (both of who wind up dead) I cant believe this is a coincidence!!
1 minute ago, SmurfWedge said:Looking at what Biggs wrote earlier it sort of swayed me towards Ovi
Every vote has been for Town it seems and got in the chat with Truth and Ghost (both of who wind up dead) I cant believe this is a coincidence!!
Actually this is one of the worst Bigg's reasoning.
I voted Madaghmire at day 1 as my joke vote as Madaghmire put is own vote on Truthiness. Yes, I vote Biggs but I said both made a point. I just chose the wrong guy to follow and Biggs is not necessarily town. I think he probably is but why incriminate my votes defending his innocence? At day 2 I voted Caldias who is far for being a proved townie. So, every vote has been for town? Don't say stupid things. Only two votes are proved against a townie. One was the second vote in the entire game. And the other came late.
And I never was in the neighbour's chat.
So am I going to lynch Biggs by myself?
There hasn't been much talk and no voting we are going to run into a another inconvenient last minute vote, which only works in scum favor as we must assume they can swing 2 votes 5 minutes before deadline if they wish.
Nothing that has been said has completely exonerated Biggs. Biggs claim of vanilla town does not help us. Nothing that has been said has sufficiently cast more suspicion on anyone else. I think there are still people who could be suspicious, but for today I think we heed Truthi's last words. Biggs killed our chat, there are many possible reason, but the simplest one is because he is scum and that prevents us from arranging a voting a block.
Actually just noticed Visovics did vote Caldias, which is also a solid vote as his voting record is most suspect, but still, only two votes. Just a little over 24 hours left to vote. Does anyone else have a vote to cast or some discussion on current votes so town doesn't get split?
@Visovics @BiggsIRL @ovinomanc3r @SmurfWedge @Caldias @CaribbeanNinja
I am training someone most of today, but will weigh in later after work. For real, you think Biggs could be scum? I see that it's possible, but he still seems safe to me.
I'm still 50/50 on Biggs.....just not sure