Glad I decided to stay out of that one. Gink was laying it on thick. I bow to the master. That also gives us a LOT of good info on voting trends going into today. More later when I get home.

So, @Ginkapo was scum, and that leaves 3 people on the Biggs train, and 2 people staying the hell out of it.

@ovinomanc3r - Got semi-turbo'd by Mad, Gink, Truth. Feels like he was getting forced into claiming by scum. Seems to point towards Mad and Truth.

@CaribbeanNinja - Didn't vote until late, and voted for the wrong side. Doesn't seem inherently scummy. Will look into further.

@Caldias - Tried to pull a no-vote out of a hat. New player, not sure if epic scum attempt, or newbie town.

@Madaghmire - Voted Truth, voted Ovi, didn't participate in the final bit. Lots of posting. ????

@Truthiness - Mad 2.0. Voted Mad, voted Ovi, didn't participate in the final bit of voting. Lots of posting. ????

@Visovics feels like confirmed town until otherwise noted.

BEEP. Boop. Long Beep.

Interpretation:

Went from "Hell yeah we nailed Gink!" to "**** there goes GNIPs." I was pretty sure at least one of you was scum. (My only worry now about @BiggsIRL is that would be another master-****ing class grade-A move by you and Gink.)

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

BEEP. Boop. Long Beep.

Interpretation:

Went from "Hell yeah we nailed Gink!" to "**** there goes GNIPs." I was pretty sure at least one of you was scum. (My only worry now about @BiggsIRL is that would be another master-****ing class grade-A move by you and Gink.)

Not going to lie, that would be awfully epic. If I was scum. And it worked.

I'd like to think it would get a little suspicious though, when someone who claimed cop after a doc died was still alive at end game. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic.

On a related note, I'm not really expecting to live through Night 2.

Might as well make the most of Day 2, right?

11 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

BEEP. Boop. Long Beep.

Interpretation:

Went from "Hell yeah we nailed Gink!" to "**** there goes GNIPs." I was pretty sure at least one of you was scum. (My only worry now about @BiggsIRL is that would be another master-****ing class grade-A move by you and Gink.)

Man! The layers on layers. That would be one hell of a long con, but I don't think Biggs is scum. The swoop in/peace out was suspicious, but also nailed us an imperial on day one! That does suck about GNIPs, and he was a doctor, which hurts. Is there any way of knowing how many scum players there are, or is it random/secret? I tried looking for info on page one but I didn't see it, but also possible I overlooked it.

This is by far the most tense refugee camp I've ever been to.

It isn't listed. There's two real possibilities:

1) 2 scum - We know one is vanilla so the other scum would have to have a powerful role, and not a lot of town roles to catch them. Probably a Duelist (Jailkeeper) or Demolitions Expert (Strongman)

2) 3 scum - We know one is vanilla, but that just makes sense. They would have relatively weak roles, if anything, to keep them balanced. Vanilla, Maintenance Technician (Neighborizer), Scout (Role Cop), and maybe a Duelist.

Something to keep in mind if you are a Role Cop.

I missed the deadline, work picked up and i got back on like 5 minutes late. Playing armada now will read up later

So yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with Biggs. Vis is neigh unimpeachable as the deciding vote on Gink. Biggs, as the driver of the Gink train is pretty close as well. That vote on Gink happened so fast and so uncontrollably that I'm honestly having a hard time suspecting anyone in on it.

Therefore the Biggs votes and the no votes are probably the best place to look. That's ovinoman3r, CNinja, Caldias, and both Madaghmires (2.0>1.0 :P). Ovi's prediction turned out to be true, but the certainty of his statement is almost more concerning now that it was EXACTLY true. Caldias has been pretty quick to move votes on little pretense. Ninja is doing his RP thing, which is a little too disarming. And then there's myself and my namesake. Looks like we both got busy at crunch time.

I'll admit I was staying clear of the Gink vote because there was already enough shade being thrown my way, so if Gink was indeed the Doc, I figured it was best for me to stay the hell away from that vote. Low and behold I'm in the opposite situation I expected. Oh well. I have friends.

And then there is me, not trustworthy or suspicious enough to gain biggs attention and merit an explanation, but I guess that is ok. I dont want to seem like I am simply willing to fly under the radar though. I was in on the vote for Gink, and I was early on that based off suspicion, not following late to fish for the busk trust.

Speaking of which, I believe that is where we should start today, looking at the last minute votes. 7 minutes before end of round cninj and caldias arranged a quick voteflip on biggs, and if visovics had decided to follow that, it would be biggs that died. That reeks scum to me, assuming there are two.

4 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

And then there is me, not trustworthy or suspicious enough to gain biggs attention and merit an explanation, but I guess that is ok. I dont want to seem like I am simply willing to fly under the radar though. I was in on the vote for Gink, and I was early on that based off suspicion, not following late to fish for the busk trust.

Speaking of which, I believe that is where we should start today, looking at the last minute votes. 7 minutes before end of round cninj and caldias arranged a quick voteflip on biggs, and if visovics had decided to follow that, it would be biggs that died. That reeks scum to me, assuming there are two.

Oni had you listed as being in the Gink killer group, hence the lack of suspicion. I agree 100% on Caldias and Ninja, with Caldias' vote to bring it to a tie being extremely suspect.

Hey, that's totally fair. My last-minute tie vote was more about trying to delay a kill for one more day because I wasn't sure about Biggs or Gink. Both seemed equally suspect to me at the time, but of course I don't get the nuances of what Gink did to garner blame all of a sudden due to lack of experience. I was totally off and Gink obviously ended up being scum, but I can't argue with the logic. I'd suspect me too if I were in your shoes. As a matter of fact, if my noobness is making for some weirdness this game, it might be best to just vote kill me early. Town can take the casualty since we're already one up on dead scum, and then you'll at least know for sure.

Boop. Screechy Beep.

Interpretation:

@BrobaFett @Truthiness

Well damned if I do damned if I don't. Last game I didn't vote and I was suspicious. This time I vote and I was suspicious. I am made to suffer it is my lot in life.

I want to point out that I did not vote for Gink. I voted for Biggs even though I was pretty sure Gink was going down. Why in the **** would I do that if I was scum?. And I am still of the mind (however improbable it may be) that Biggs could also be scum.

Broba "defended" Gink while voting for him (convenient) and Truthiness backed off and did not vote "defending gink as being a doc and it fitting his play style (convenient).

I think Broba is less implicated though, my money is still on Mad, Ovi and Truth I think. I have to look back on how Caldias voted.

10 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

Man I hate defending Gink because if he flips scum I am so hosed haha. I just don't see him acting any differently than in previous games. I duno, if he was scum I guess I would expect him to be.... ya know.... nicer? Hah

10 hours ago, Truthiness said:

I'm not jumping on the Gink wagon. If he is indeed the doc, it would explain his *relative* quiet in this game. That was his advice to me after my game as the doc. If he flips town, I think we have to look hard at Biggs.

Blip Beep Whir. BEEP.

Interpretation:

As for @Caldias He did vote last minute (like two minutes to go). That did bring us to a novote which is bad. Luckily Visovics brought it home. I will agree that if Visovics is scum, it was an even more epic play than Biggs. He is currently golden.

Totally get how that looks, but I thought I was doing what was best for the town, but I was VERY wrong. Probably going to add to my level of suspicion, but I will be MIA most of tomorrow. There's a Store Championship I'm going to an hour away, and that will take most of the day. Also just got a Switch. I will try and chime in after the tournament. I agree anyone voting for Biggs is suspect, as well as the ones that went radio silent immediately after it looked as though Gink would get lynched. And of course maybe voting for Gink would be a good move to throw us off? Man, wheels within wheels for this game.

2 hours ago, Caldias said:

Man! The layers on layers. That would be one hell of a long con, but I don't think Biggs is scum. The swoop in/peace out was suspicious, but also nailed us an imperial on day one! That does suck about GNIPs, and he was a doctor, which hurts. Is there any way of knowing how many scum players there are, or is it random/secret? I tried looking for info on page one but I didn't see it, but also possible I overlooked it.

This is by far the most tense refugee camp I've ever been to.

Yeah, claiming doc was an inspired play by gink, who must have figured either

a) someone counterclaims

or

b) someone calls the lie, probably because they know it cant be true.

Btw, I'm thinking if we had a doc, they have a jailkeeper based on the roles assigned.

So, looks pretty bad for Madaghmires everywhere. Neither of us involved in that vote. Truth made his case. Sadly I happened to have to actually work this morning. Bad timing, but it is what it is. If people had been playing before the final two hours, I wouldn't look so bad now. I will say on day one, given Gink was a vanilla goon, that I wouldn't give a pass to anyone on that vote. If the scum were smart they would be sure to get someone in on that, establishing town cred.

That said, Vis and Biggs look pretty safe from where I sit. If either are scum, then that was some sick stuff because I believe Oni said they didn't get daychat?

Ovi looks good also, because theres a whole exchange where Gink blasts nonsense at me and truth and then votes Ovi. I didn't understand the move then. Now I think it was an effort to hide an opportunistic follow on Ovi that would cast a lot of suspicion on all those wonderful Madaghmire's when he flipped town.

I suppose its also possible he was hoping on what he thought was a runaway lynch to establish town cred. But I think the former is more likely.

Cal did a some things that scream scum, like voting to tie in order to force a no lynch, so my eye is on him. But I think thats more rookie tell then scum tell.

18 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Btw, I'm thinking if we had a doc, they have a jailkeeper based on the roles assigned.

That or a Strongman. But I'm still alive.

I went and got drunk tonight, Happy Friday Night everyone! I'll do some more digging in the morning.

After the end of the day I was worried we'd have no doc since no one counter-claimed, but now I'm worried because we truly don't have a doc (may have, but unlikely, maybe a duelist?)

Caldias' tie to skip the vote reads more rookie mistake than scum to me

Ovi reads town to me, I think Gink was trying to fish for a night kill and looking for a good role.

I'm unsure about the mads, Mad arrived just a bit too late, but Truth is glad he stayed out? a bit suspicious to me but not to a whole level

Cninja, as always got a gut feeling on you. You must have some weird guts magnet because everytime I just have the insinct you are scum, but again, it's basically always wrong

6 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

@Ginkapo

Please dont tag me

I am pretty sure... wait! I imagine that Visovics could be townie. Gink attempt for a no-lynching surprise me but the time has ended when I read it and wanted to back off.

It seems I was right about my list and I cannot understand how the lack of " I think" still be a suspicious thing. Almost everything we post are opinions, I think.

I think I can be taken as suspicious by my vote track but for not writing "I think"? that is so surrealistic that I even started to think that maybe I got lucky and pointed to 2 scum with my list.

@BiggsIRL pointed that Gink looking for roles was suspicious. What is that?

On 6/7/2017 at 11:34 PM, Truthiness said:

Mad and I have a long history of not taking things seriously. A Highlander war is a nice icebreaker. I don't need a good reason to move off of that. Now voting for some else is worthy of explanation. Ovi's comments asserting that one of the voters to this point must be scum is entirely too much of a definitive statement for day one. That at some of his other odd or definitive statements (What the hell was that timeline and ninja crap about? Are you trying to broadcast a power role again? ) were the first truly suspicious actions I saw. Hence moving my vote.

Grasping at straws a little more than usual there Gink. Something to hide?

Cause he was with Gink on this when I was at h-2

I am not completely sold about this but I will keep it in mind.

Just throwing this out that I had a suspicion about Ginks from my 2nd post where I put his first vote down....maybe I'm green enough that I didn't know his playstyle....just seemed overly talkatime. .....but maybe that's just Ginks.

Saying that I'm leaning towards Mad and Truth......seeming awful suspicious.....one of them is freaking out that their fellow agent had a lightsaber in the back.....hmm. I will stew on this and come back with a decision.

After examination, one thing comes to me

@Truthiness seems the most suspicious

8 hours ago, Truthiness said:

Glad I decided to stay out of that one. Gink was laying it on thick. I bow to the master. That also gives us a LOT of good info on voting trends going into today. More later when I get home.

Why would you be glad to stay out of it? If I wasn't there we'd likely go to a no vote or even Biggs would have been the one killed.

7 hours ago, Truthiness said:

So yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with Biggs. Vis is neigh unimpeachable as the deciding vote on Gink. Biggs, as the driver of the Gink train is pretty close as well. That vote on Gink happened so fast and so uncontrollably that I'm honestly having a hard time suspecting anyone in on it.

Therefore the Biggs votes and the no votes are probably the best place to look. That's ovinoman3r, CNinja, Caldias, and both Madaghmires (2.0>1.0 :P). Ovi's prediction turned out to be true, but the certainty of his statement is almost more concerning now that it was EXACTLY true. Caldias has been pretty quick to move votes on little pretense. Ninja is doing his RP thing, which is a little too disarming. And then there's myself and my namesake. Looks like we both got busy at crunch time.

I'll admit I was staying clear of the Gink vote because there was already enough shade being thrown my way, so if Gink was indeed the Doc, I figured it was best for me to stay the hell away from that vote. Low and behold I'm in the opposite situation I expected. Oh well. I have friends.

Ok, now it's a bit of an overextension trying to pull against Ovi, his list had HALF OF THE PLAYERS, so how can you be suspicious of it being "exactly true"? Also, I don't buy the staying clear of Gink cos he could be medic, someone having claimed is not something that you can completely ignore anything the person has done and the accusations against him. Also, who are those so said "friends"? Cause that really interested me

Just now, Visovics said:

After examination, one thing comes to me

@Truthiness seems the most suspicious

Why would you be glad to stay out of it? If I wasn't there we'd likely go to a no vote or even Biggs would have been the one killed.

Ok, now it's a bit of an overextension trying to pull against Ovi, his list had HALF OF THE PLAYERS, so how can you be suspicious of it being "exactly true"? Also, I don't buy the staying clear of Gink cos he could be medic, someone having claimed is not something that you can completely ignore anything the person has done and the accusations against him. Also, who are those so said "friends"? Cause that really interested me

Pressed submit by accident again, I was going to add how good Ovi's point is, you seemed on par with Gink there against Ovi, which you are coming back to despite we seeing Gink die and flip scum