Jesus Christ, this game. I am eager for the analysis cause I am completely lost.

3 minutes ago, Visovics said:

List time!

I do like lists. Maybe a list after the voting analysis.

21 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

Okay, point #1, why on earth haven't scum killed me yet? Possibility #1 - they have been roleblocking me each night. Possibility #2 - they have a rolecop and knew I was lying from Night 1. Possibility #3 - they plan to run a train on me today. Maybe some combination of the two.

Point #2 why on earth would I have hunted Truthiness down if I was all but cleared town, I was in a masonry with him, and he said he was going to invite more people into the masonry that were effectively cleared town, if I was scum?

I had what I thought was a good read. It wasn't. I'm very, very sorry for Truthiness, but frankly an unconfirmed masonry ain't all that awesome for town.

And if you think I fake claimed cop, bused a scum buddy on a scum tell nobody else picked up on, and DIDN'T expect the ACTUAL cop to investigate me because "hey two cops, seems kinda scummy", then you're a **** fool.

That's the thing. I was more ready to lynch you if Truthiness flipped scum than if not. There was no point to build up a wagon against Truthiness I'm the way you did if you were scum.

What I see is the people who doesn't jump into the wagon or did not so quickly. As I pointed I was not completely sold on your idea but scum should bought it quickly.

CNinja and Broba weren't there

@Caldias , please take this time to read back over the thread and do your own analysis. As town we have some knowledge of the game state now: Gink was scum. Ghost, Mad, Truth were town. Look at the voting patterns. Notice who voted when and for who. Notice what they said or didn't say.

Post your own analysis and your own thoughts!

******* phone. Submit by error.

Whatever.

Madaghmire is dead.

And Biggs would look weird as scum as I said.

I have to look to the other three closer.

Okay, I will try. Should have something posted within an hour or so!

I'm leaning towards @Caldias as scum, explanation and analysis coming shortly if computer cooperates

On 07/07/2017 at 5:30 PM, Caldias said:

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm curious how the pile up on Ginkapo is any different than the earlier pile on Ovi? It seems everyone is suddenly convinced, but I'm also a noob so what do I know?

On 07/07/2017 at 5:56 PM, Caldias said:

I need to vote too, and I still don't know who to believe.

##vote BiggsIRL

If only because that buys us a day of nobody dying.

So since scum has no daytalk, a new player would have some slight problems trying to have townish behaviour D1, now, he could be just trying to learn to play and I completely understand it, but it could also be an attempt to dissuade peolpe from voting to his buddy and trying to stop his death by last-minute putting into a no-vote, where he probably didn't count people with votes would be avaible, that could be hidden in an "beginner mistake" mask. May become clearer with this:

submit by accident, incoming

On 08/07/2017 at 0:52 AM, Caldias said:

Wow, good work, @BiggsIRL ! My apologies for guessing wrong. (I assume talking is ok again?)

On 09/07/2017 at 2:55 AM, Caldias said:

Just got back from the store championship and man I am beat. Seems there hasn't been a ton of movement on suspects, other than myself, which I totally understand how my last-minute vote looks. I am 90% unsure of everyone except Biggs, who I am pretty sure is not scum. I'm interested in hearing his thoughts.

On 09/07/2017 at 0:44 PM, Caldias said:

This to me screams scum. I get that I looked suspicious, but I just wanted to buy time to get a better assessment of Biggs and Gink, both of whom were very suspicious, but I wasn't 100% on, and was trying to get a no-vote. It was a great move by @Visovics to make the call to get Gink, and I applaud him and @BiggsIRL for obviously being much more experienced than me.

So you voted early, but you didn't change your vote, either. I was a tad suspicious of the ones that suddenly went dark as soon as Gink was looking like he was going down. You're making me think my 2nd vote was correct on Day 1.

##vote @ovinomanc3r

On 09/07/2017 at 2:31 PM, Caldias said:

Okay, that's a fair point. I don't know, though, because if your reasoning for yourself being town is sound, how is it I am so suspect to you? I changed my vote on Day One because I was indecisive, unsure of who to accuse.

My vote remains, for now. Biggs seems very skilled at this game, and is almost certainly town, so whoever he votes for I'll vote for as well.

On 09/07/2017 at 4:06 PM, Caldias said:

I mean, I really don't have any reason for my vote other than that I thought (I suppose wrongly, now that I am getting a sense of the game) that forcing a no vote would give everyone time to parse through things. I don't really understand the meta with the roles and such that much, so when Biggs said AHA GOTCHA I was like whoa, this looks weird, the sudden swoop then vote. Additionally, Gink was acting really weird, but I wasn't convinced. I wanted the no-vote to get a better sense of who could be guilty the next day. I didn't realize Scum could just straight up murder someone at night, but probably should've guessed based on how some roles protect, but I thought the ability to protect referred to the lynching.

Anyway, can't really say much more to my defense other than that. The good thing is if I am axed, Town can afford the mistake since we already got one scum, so it doesn't really hurt us if you kill me. Still waiting for Biggs to weigh in.

On 09/07/2017 at 5:25 PM, Caldias said:

Huh. I actually thought Truthiness might've been okay (the chatlog seemed convincing) but this is a solid argument, I think. I am starting to wonder if my logic circuits are even cut out for this game! I said my vote is whatever Biggs votes, and I wasn't BSing.

##vote Truthiness

Does everybody else see a pattern on those posts? Biggs is almost undoubtedly town, so constant appraisal would most likely make you look good, but for me screams scum trying to hide behind town. Once again, may just be because you are new and just isn't sure about the game and is trying to learn by following the player you are most sure of being town, and the beginner can work to justify virtually any of your posts that indicate scummy behaviour

so from my suspicion

##vote Caldias

@Caldias - Has been on the wrong side of the vote so many times it is almost comical. Voted first for Ghost (Town), me in the Biggs/Gink vote off, and Truth. Did say in advance that he would follow my lead on voting. Also voted for Ovi during the day one Ovi voting party. If anything else, he and Ovi are likely not on the same team.

@ovinomanc3r - As hilariously wrong as Caldias with his votes. Voted for Caldias, during the Day 2 voting party. Voted for Mad (town), me in the Biggs/Gink vote off, and Truth (late, but tried to get in on it anyway). Truthiness and Ghost trusted him enough to want to invite him to their chat, for what it is worth.

@BrobaFett - I'm... not entirely sure I've seen you vote for anyone besides Gink (day 1) and me (day 3). Jumped in early enough on the Gink vote that he feels very town. Correct in his assessment that double claim Strongmen needed to be addressed.

@CaribbeanNinja - Voted for me in the Biggs vs Gink showdown, but otherwise has been close to the chest with his votes.

@Visovics - Hammered Gink. If he's scum he deserves to win for that play alone.

@SmurfWedge - Voted Gink early. Earlier than the showdown began. Then voted for Truth (town), Mad (town), and Caldias. Second to last vote on the Truthiness train (not counting Ovi coming in super late).

@Visovics has a good point with the @Caldias argument and vote. I really want to see Caldias' analysis before I put another vote down towards him just yet.

Of the players I would consider probably not-scum: Ovi got to L-3 with Ginks vote, then was pushed by Gink to claim, which was Gink's scum slip. Visovics was the hammer on Gink. Broba jumped on the Gink train early, and rode it to the station.

Totally Townie:
Visovics

Fortutiously Friendly:
Brobafett
Ovi

Nauseatingly Neutral:
CNinja - @CaribbeanNinja I am really interested in who you think is scum.
SmurfWedge

Oddly Odd:
Caldias

Suspiciously Scummy:

Now I'm getting paranoid, and I'm imagining a situation where Gink's scum slip was actually him trying to get Ovi to claim something to justify everyone removing their votes.

I am working on it now. Hopefully will have it up in the next few minutes.

Aaargh....this is infuriating.

Whoever is scum is playing this very close in......you all seem so trustworthy.....but one or more of you is an agent....

Caldias and Ovi are looking more and more suspect based on their voting patterns.....but which one is true and which one is the TR8R

Caldias I'm looking forward to your explanation.....seeming more and more suspicious to me....especially as you're "working" on a response.

1 minute ago, SmurfWedge said:

Aaargh....this is infuriating.

Whoever is scum is playing this very close in......you all seem so trustworthy.....but one or more of you is an agent....

Caldias and Ovi are looking more and more suspect based on their voting patterns.....but which one is true and which one is the TR8R

Me? Why the hell I would "overhammer" Truthiness when you all stupid townies did my job?

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

Me? Why the hell I would "overhammer" Truthiness when you all stupid townies did my job?

well, you do have a natural magnet to scummy roles

5 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

Totally Townie:
Visovics

He is probably townie but, totally?

6 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

CNinja - @CaribbeanNinja I am really interested in who you think is scum.

True, Cninja always had a "scum list" that was overally right, I didn't see one this game... OR I'm blind

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

well, you do have a natural magnet to scummy roles

Yes. Ninja once, vanilla the other. That was all.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

Yes. Ninja once, vanilla the other. That was all.

Oh, I may have confused with the "no way he will be 3 times in a row" last game

4 minutes ago, SmurfWedge said:

especially as you're "working" on a response.

That would have been an awfully bad slip from scum, also, he may mean "gathering evidence from previous posts and making the whole thing not sound confusing"

Also interested to see it

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

True, Cninja always had a "scum list" that was overally right, I didn't see one this game... OR I'm blind

Boop?

Interpretation:

Not sure what you mean. I've posted my thoughts and have been pretty lousy. Thought Gink was the Doc, and I was pretty sure about Truthiness. I'm re-reading the whole **** thing to try to figure out what is going on.

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Oh, I may have confused with the "no way he will be 3 times in a row" last game

1. Town cop

2. Town watcher

3. Mafia ninja

4. Mafia vanilla

5. Town cop

6. Current role.

25 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Does everybody else see a pattern on those posts? Biggs is almost undoubtedly town, so constant appraisal would most likely make you look good, but for me screams scum trying to hide behind town. Once again, may just be because you are new and just isn't sure about the game and is trying to learn by following the player you are most sure of being town, and the beginner can work to justify virtually any of your posts that indicate scummy behaviour

so from my suspicion

##vote Caldias

Hey man, I really can't offer any more reasons other than the same stuff I've already said that'll probably just raise suspicions further. I feel bad as I really should've googled the game's rules and familiarized myself with them more before diving in, but can't take that back now. I am just really sorry I've been such an albatross on the town's neck. I feel like I've been letting you guys down.

Here is my analysis, for what it's worth. Might at least be good for a laugh.

1. @Visovics - Dun N'owatodo - I think he either has to be super town or super scum. I can see that it could be a good scum play to hammer Gink when it looked likely he was found out anyway, to draw suspicions away, but I actually think he is 100% town.
2. @BiggsIRL - Townii McNotscum - Probably town, but the Truthiness thing looks a smidge suspicious, especially since he seemed so sure. Also has been claiming his death is inevitable but is hereto unscathed. Could be he is scum, or could be scum trying to discredit him.
3. @ovinomanc3r - Ovi Wanna Bowie - I am probably most suspicious of him, as he voted for Biggs (as did I of course, and CNinja). He seems the most aloof and therefore might just be trying to confuse? Also might be innocent, as he did unvote me on Day 2
4. @BrobaFett - Duntaz Mebro - Waffled the vote, but so did I. His suspicions of Biggs is interesting, and could mean he is scum, but I still think he's town. Didn't vote in the last round.
5. @CaribbeanNinja - Six-T9 - Also didn't vote in the last round, and voted for Biggs. Could very well be scum, no vote looks really bad (at least that's what others have said), but I also thought Madaghmire was scum for not voting on day one, especially since he chided me for not checking in more, and I was (shocker!) wrong again.
6. @SmurfWedge - Calan Jor - New, but seems really on the up. As another new player I feel like he is most likely town, as he is also feeling out the waters in this game, and I can relate to that.

Anyway, I hope we can parse this one out. It's a pretty big puzzle, and I will do my best to suss out the truth.