Looking at the lancer pack there are 3 siege upgrades, one is the frontline, one is most likely another support lancer. So, is the third card a repeat frontline or will it be another siege upgrade we haven't seen?

Im hoping for a new card.

Probably repeat of the frontline.

Although it looks like there are 3 Heavy Upgrades there is actually a further card behind those three which makes the 8 Upgrades the pack is supposed to have. It is likely that this is another Heavy Upgrade and that the expansion contains 2 copies of both the Front Line and Support Upgrades.

I saw that as well after posting, lame, I want more siege options lol

13 hours ago, stet2 said:

Although it looks like there are 3 Heavy Upgrades there is actually a further card behind those three which makes the 8 Upgrades the pack is supposed to have. It is likely that this is another Heavy Upgrade and that the expansion contains 2 copies of both the Front Line and Support Upgrades.

Kinda weird since you are expected to buy the core and support comes in the core.

Let's be optimistic : I remember some fluff text saying that different carrions have different "diets", and their physical look changing accordingly, so maybe those 4 heavy upgrade cards actually include some carrion gameplay "diet versions" based on this idea...

14 hours ago, stet2 said:

Although it looks like there are 3 Heavy Upgrades there is actually a further card behind those three which makes the 8 Upgrades the pack is supposed to have. It is likely that this is another Heavy Upgrade and that the expansion contains 2 copies of both the Front Line and Support Upgrades.

The Rune Golems also have three siege cards among their eight cards which matches the Lancers exactly. So there doesn't seem to be room for a fourth siege card. If that third card is a repeat of one of the the known upgrades then why not repeat them both? My money is on it being something new.

While I'm firmly of the opinion that the core is the best way to start collecting it is not the only way and you don't need to buy it to collect any force.

It is equally possible to collect Daqan by buying the Essentials pack and Expansions; you can even pick up Kari or Ardus plus the cards that go with them from people who buy more than one core set or shops that split cores.

Given that the Carrion Lancers and Rune Golem Expansions have 2 models it makes sense to me that they would include 2 copies of each Heavy Upgrade (in the same way that they provide 2 unit cards and 2 dials) so that those that want to field both as the same unit upgrade have the cards to do so.

As a result I think it is extremely unlikely that any of the Heavy Upgrades in the Expansions will be anything other than the Support or Front Line versions.

In fact from the French site you can clearly see that the Rune Golems have 4 Heavy Upgrades.

The more I think about it, it is likely we just get a double of the one we didn't get in the core. Which is lame :P. I better be wrong.

19 hours ago, stet2 said:

Given that the Carrion Lancers and Rune Golem Expansions have 2 models it makes sense to me that they would include 2 copies of each Heavy Upgrade (in the same way that they provide 2 unit cards and 2 dials) so that those that want to field both as the same unit upgrade have the cards to do so.

As a result I think it is extremely unlikely that any of the Heavy Upgrades in the Expansions will be anything other than the Support or Front Line versions.

In fact from the French site you can clearly see that the Rune Golems have 4 Heavy Upgrades.

Ok, I hadn't seen the French photo. If there are four heavies showing there then doubles makes sense. I didn't expect that as none of the other packs have duplicates - you have to buy another expansion pack to get them.

16 minutes ago, CastleRock said:

Ok, I hadn't seen the French photo. If there are four heavies showing there then doubles makes sense. I didn't expect that as none of the other packs have duplicates - you have to buy another expansion pack to get them.

I think that's probably why there will be 2 of each in. Can you imagine the stick FFG would get if you had to buy a second expansion just to get a second copy of the upgrades.

1 hour ago, stet2 said:

I think that's probably why there will be 2 of each in. Can you imagine the stick FFG would get if you had to buy a second expansion just to get a second copy of the upgrades.

You mean like every other ffg mini game?

16 minutes ago, Darthain said:

You mean like every other ffg mini game?

Yeh but weren't they trying to avoid that this time?

Having said that; if they were Combat Ingenuity was an epic fail!!!!

7 minutes ago, stet2 said:

Yeh but weren't they trying to avoid that this time?

Having said that; if they were Combat Ingenuity was an epic fail!!!!

The heavy upgrades and CI are in 2 different classes. For the heavy upgrades they are also figure upgrades and since you get 2 copies of the figure associated with them it makes sense that you would get 2 copies of the card as well. CI on the other hand has no figure associated with it and comes in a pack where the contents of that pack constitute the smallest unit size, so there is no logic behind including multiple copies of that upgrade per pack.

Bell of Lost Souls unboxed the golems. It's two copies of Support and Front Line.