Neutral Upgrades and where to find them

By TallGiraffe, in Runewars Miniatures Game

Made a list of where you can find what Neutral upgrade for the current Expansions. Mainly did this to speculate what upgrades for the next expansions are.

Anything marked Core is included in the Essentials

LAB = Latari Army Box

Artifact
Heartseeker* [Core]

Reaping Blades* [Core]

Fortuna's Dice* [ DInfUp , WInfUp , LInfUp ]

Shield of Margath* [ Hawthorne , Maro , Maegan ]

Training
Rank Discipline [Core, DInfUp , Carrion Lancer , LAB ]

Flank Guards [ Oathsworn , DInfUp , Reanimates , Leonx Riders ]

Moment of Inspiration [ Oathsworn , Carrion Lancer (2), LAB ]

Close Quarters Targeting [ RArchers , Deepwood Archers ]

Simultaneous Orders [ DInfUp , WInfUp , LInfUp ]

Column Tactics [ Leonx Riders ]

Equipment
Master-Crafted Weapons [Core, Rune Golems , LAB ]

Shield Wall [Core, Oathsworn, WInfUp ]

Tempered Steel [ RArchers , Spearmen , Deepwood Archers ]

Wind Rune [ RArchers , Rune Golems (2), LAB , Scions ]

Fire Rune [ DInfUp , Carrion Lancer , Deepwood Archers ]

Heraldry
Terrifying Heraldry [Core, RArchers , LInfUp ]

Bull Pennon [Core, Rune Golems , Leonx Riders ]

Heraldic Surcoats [ Oathsworn , LInfUp ]

Raven Tabards [ WInfUp , Spearmen , LAB ]

Cursed Signets [ Reanimates , Scions ]

Music
Metered March[Core, Spearmen , Leonx Riders ]

Trumpets [Core, Reanimates , LAB ]

Triumphant Cry [ WInfUp , Spearmen ]

Champion
War Crier [Core, Spearmen , LInfUp ]

Dispatch Runner [ Oathsworn , Reanimates , Leonx Riders ]

File Leader [ DInfUp , WInfUp , LInfUp ]

Edited by TallGiraffe
Updated Elf Expansions

While these can't be considered 100% until the expansions drop it has been possible to get the following from spoiled pictures:

Fire Rune - Carrion Lancers

Moment of Inspiration - Carrion Lancers, Latari Army

Column Tactics - Death Knights, Heavy Crossbows, Leonx Riders

Heraldic Surcoats - Death Knights

Master-Crafted Weapons - Rune Golems

Wind Rune - Rune Golems, Latari Army

Cursed Signets - Heavy Crossbows

Raven Tabards - Latari Army

Trumpets - Latari Army

Rank Discipline - Latari Army

Some of those Upgrades you have listed for latari and in the core could be in the Essential pack. @stet2

1 minute ago, TallGiraffe said:

Some of those Upgrades you have listed for latari and in the core could be in the Essential pack. @stet2

The Essentials pack has all of the Neutral Upgrades from the core set, so:

Heartseeker, Reaping Blade, War Crier, Master-Crafted Weapons, Shield Wall, Bull Pennon, Terrifying Heraldry, Metered March, Trumpets and Rank Discipline.

We have yet to see Bull Pennon in anything other than the core.

2 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

We have yet to see Bull Pennon in anything other than the core.

True but the essentials pack is meant to give you everything you need to play when combined with the Latari or Uthuk Army Pack. As such it includes the same Deployment, Terrain and Objective cards as the core and the 10 Neutral Upgrades from the core (it just omits the 8 Daqan/Waiqar specific upgrades that the core includes).

This was confirmed in the Essentials News item.

I mean it could be in Rune Golems. And Rank discipline in lancers.

There is an unspoiled Neutral Heraldry card in the Rune Golems expansion. Unless this is a totally new upgrade (highly unlikely) this will probably be either Terrifying Heraldry or Bull Pennon (both of which are also in the Core set.

I hope you all realize there is a page for neutral upgrades on the Runewars wiki: http://runewars.wikia.com/wiki/Neutral_Upgrades . If you click on a neutral upgrade link, you can see where that upgrade can be found.

Of course, if you see something that needs to be updated, please feel free to change it.

EDIT: Wow, that page was missing a bunch of upgrades! @TallGiraffe Thanks for compiling this list. Now the wiki is a little more complete. By the way, you left out Shield of Margath (Lord Hawthorne and Ankaur Maro).

Edited by Budgernaut
1 hour ago, Budgernaut said:

I hope you all realize there is a page for neutral upgrades on the Runewars wiki: http://runewars.wikia.com/wiki/Neutral_Upgrades . If you click on a neutral upgrade link, you can see where that upgrade can be found.

Of course, if you see something that needs to be updated, please feel free to change it.

EDIT: Wow, that page was missing a bunch of upgrades! @TallGiraffe Thanks for compiling this list. Now the wiki is a little more complete. By the way, you left out Shield of Margath (Lord Hawthorne and Ankaur Maro).

I know I left it out like 5 hours ago but couldn't edit it till I got home. Actually the runewars wiki is what made me compile this list as it wasn't completely up to date.

Based on the lists above for Waiqar and Daqan:

  • Daqan is still lacking Close Quarters Targetting
  • You would expect Bull Pennon to appear in an expansion, because (apart from Artefacts) all the other Core upgrades also come in later packs.
  • There are also quite a few that are available in Core and one faction but not both - Core and Daqan only: Rank Discipline; Master Crafted Weapons ; Metered March; War Crier. Core and Waiqar only - Terrifying Heraldry; Trumpets.
  • Oddly, Flank Guards crops up in two Daqan expansions, but only in one Waiqar (as with all the other upgrades - they only come in one expansion). But if things are going to end up even, there should be a second Flank Guard in a Waiqar expansion.

The photos for the remaining Waiqar expansions show

  • 4 hidden training cards (1 Death Knights, 3 Lancers - one of which is Moment of Inspiration [Stet2s list] )
  • 1 hidden heraldry card (DK - according to Stet2s list, this is Heraldic Surcoats)
  • 1 that could be of any type (poking out the back of the Lancers cards)
  • 1 Artefact card (DK - something for their new "condition"?? or else a repeat of Duskblade or Shield of Margath?)
  • 3 Siege upgrades for the Lancers.

However, to even things up there would need to be 2 training cards (RankD and FlankG); 1 heraldry card (Bull Pennon); 1 equipment card (MasterCW); 1 music (MeteredM) and 1 Champion (War Crier). So there seem to be 2 extra training cards; the right number in heraldry, and one hidden card that could be either Master CW, MeteredM or WarC. Maybe those extra "training" upgrades will actually turn out to be (say) MeteredM and WarC.

The Daqan photos show:

  • 2 hidden training cards (Xbows - one of which is Cursed Signets [Stet2's list])
  • 3 hidden equipment cards (2 RGs - one of which is wind Rune, 1 Xbows);
  • 2 hidden heraldry cards (1 RG, 1 Xbows);
  • 3 Siege upgrades for the Golems.

To even things up needs 1 training card (CloseQT) two heraldry cards (Terrifying H and Bull Pennon); 1 music card (trumpets). So there seems to be the right number of training and heraldry cards, 2 extra armour cards and 1 less music card than is needed. Maybe one of those "equipment" cards will turn out to be Trumpets instead, though that still leaves an extra equipment card unaccounted for.

So if FFG intend these two factions to have equal availability to all the neutral upgrades then the photos aren't quite right. If the photos are right then there isn't equal availability.

@CastleRock FFG only said thst we wouldn't need to buy out of faction. That doesn't mean that upgrade distribution will be even. As has been stated in other threads the neutrals will likely come with units that they're effective with.

On another note the 4 heavy upgrades in the rune golem pack are 2 copies each of support and front line rune golem.

16 minutes ago, Orcdruid said:

@CastleRock FFG only said thst we wouldn't need to buy out of faction. That doesn't mean that upgrade distribution will be even. As has been stated in other threads the neutrals will likely come with units that they're effective with.

On another note the 4 heavy upgrades in the rune golem pack are 2 copies each of support and front line rune golem.

Ok, thanks, but I still think the gaps give us an idea of what some of the hidden cards are likely to be.

Do we know that there 4 heavy upgrades? There are only three showing in RG and Lancer photos. Though I now see there are only seven cards showing in the RG photo, so there is a spare to play with. I guess then the almost completely hidden card in the Lancers would then be the 4th heavy upgrade.

6 minutes ago, CastleRock said:

Ok, thanks, but I still think the gaps give us an idea of what some of the hidden cards are likely to be.

Do we know that there 4 heavy upgrades? There are only three showing in RG and Lancer photos. Though I now see there are only seven cards showing in the RG photo, so there is a spare to play with. I guess then the almost completely hidden card in the Lancers would then be the 4th heavy upgrade.

There are 8 cards shown in both the rg and cl preview shots, they are tucked behind the others. There is also a french preview photo posted here.

Also @CastleRock the equipment for the Crossbowmen is Daqan Only. And seeing as they are the archer unit for daqan, we can expect Close quarters targeting. So far the spread of upgrades is pretty good and there isn't really any must have upgrades imo that either side needs.

If golems have wind rune, and Crossbowmen have Close Quarter targeting, and Cursed signets, I'm good. Some people appear to want this to be a bigger deal than it is.

Since I don't plan on getting Lancers, I would appreciate some help filling in the lancer upgrades.

golems upgrades are MC weapons, Wind rune, bull pennon, frontline golem, support golem...BoLS unboxed it early

1 hour ago, jek said:

golems upgrades are MC weapons, Wind rune, bull pennon, frontline golem, support golem...BoLS unboxed it early

Double wind rune? That is so boring. x.x Was hoping for something new.

Updated with Rune Golem stuff. Still need Carrion Lancer.

58 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

Double wind rune? That is so boring. x.x Was hoping for something new.

What do you mean "double Wind Rune?" That's the only place to get Wind Rune from the Daqan Lords expansions and there is only one copy in the box. I fail to see how it is "doubled."

Nevermind. Didn't see that there are two in the box. I guess some people will be happy, but others, not so much.

Edited by Budgernaut

Added carrion lancer.

10 hours ago, Budgernaut said:

What do you mean "double Wind Rune?" That's the only place to get Wind Rune from the Daqan Lords expansions and there is only one copy in the box. I fail to see how it is "doubled."

Nevermind. Didn't see that there are two in the box. I guess some people will be happy, but others, not so much.

I think I might try 2x2 spear blocks with wind rune for some movement shenanigans.

2 wind runes, awesome.

Updated with Latari Army Box stuff.