How much should Assasination cost?

By kiramode, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

Assassination is a card we've been aware of for a while, but have yet to have an official preview. The text is pretty easy to figure out:

Action: During a Conflict, lose 3 honor. Choose a character printed cost 2 or lower - discard that character (limit 1 per round)

Debating on making proxies for this card, but unclear what the cost should be. I know one of the other shows places the card at 0 mana, but that feels too over-powered. Personally I think 1 mana is about right for that card, but I was thinking of making it 2 just to be safe. Any suggestions and/or insider knowledge?

If the card costs 2 then that's too much. I'd be inclined to make it cost 0

Remember that a Conflict card is quite expensive in nu5R while a Dynasty card is quite cheap. As such, using a Conflict card to get rid of a Dynasty card is already a bad trade.

46 minutes ago, I Fight Dragons said:

The card number means it almost certainly costs 0. You can check out all the missing cards with this sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vUzqEqnHtFnl24SKACZTqyiHhrOW9HQzTBjYAbAuaKU/edit

It may cost 0 fate, but 3 honor is a hefty price to get rid of a 2 cost chud.

This document is insanely useful. I think I saw about 5 cards that I don't have made yet. I will make sure to print these out and use shortly. The Cautious Scout looks incredible.

13 minutes ago, kiramode said:

This document is insanely useful. I think I saw about 5 cards that I don't have made yet. I will make sure to print these out and use shortly. The Cautious Scout looks incredible.

Keep in mind that anything in purple (including cautious scout) is unofficial. It's basically just speculation and not directly from FFG.

Edited by I Fight Dragons

We pay with fate in this game, not with mana.

Edited by Ide Yoshiya
3 minutes ago, I Fight Dragons said:

Keep in mind that anything in purple (including cautious scout) is unofficial. It's basically just speculation and not directly from FFG.

My question with the speculation is how certain are the purple cards? Should we expect any drastic change?

Also, is there any chance that Assassination will require that the character in question be participating?

Just now, kiramode said:

My question with the speculation is how certain are the purple cards? Should we expect any drastic change?

Also, is there any chance that Assassination will require that the character in question be participating?

Depends. We can be pretty darn sure on Ornate Fan, while Ancestral Lands and Daimyo's Favor are very up in the air if it's actually what they do. It doesn't look like the text on Assassination has room for the target to be participating, but it's certainly possible. It also might only be playable in one of the two conflicts.

For reference:

A card from hand and 3 Honor, with that "printed cost 2 or lower" targeting restriction is a very hefty price. I couldn't imagine it would also have a Fate cost, and I wouldn't even imagine it would be included in decks very often.

59 minutes ago, Bayushi Tsubaki said:

A card from hand and 3 Honor, with that "printed cost 2 or lower" targeting restriction is a very hefty price. I couldn't imagine it would also have a Fate cost, and I wouldn't even imagine it would be included in decks very often.

Perhaps the card's full title is Novice Assassination. ?

The 3 honor loss is quite meaningful. I am convinced by the numbering info it costs 0, and having played with it a bit it seems fair.

On ‎02‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 10:48 PM, I Fight Dragons said:

The card number means it almost certainly costs 0. You can check out all the missing cards with this sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vUzqEqnHtFnl24SKACZTqyiHhrOW9HQzTBjYAbAuaKU/edit

It may cost 0 fate, but 3 honor is a hefty price to get rid of a 2 cost chud.

Gawd bless you for that document.

0 Fate seems about right. It's an interesting card, because to get it in hand reliably a player will need to be drawing a goodly number of cards (and potentially sacrificing honour to do so). Against decks running lots of low cost characters that might be a valid strategy.

Getting rid of a low cost dude will be powerful against some clans (Currently, dragon). Once your opponent loads up someone with some attachments and a little bit of fate, being able to eliminate them would be pretty nice. That being said, while 3 honor is high, it isn't the end of the world. You could easily pay 4 honor to make sure you win a duel, and none of those effects are as powerful (with a few caveats).

Assassination seems very very strong to me, especially since it alone makes any opponent wary of investing too much on a 2-cost characters. Assassinating a 2-cost with 1 Fate on it means you get rid of 3 of your opponent's Fate for 3 of your Honor - a pretty good trade even economically, not just Tempo-wise.

I just realized, thematically it might make sense that the card is "Outside a Conflict" or something similar. You rarely assassinate someone in the middle of a fight.

On ‎7‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 5:48 PM, I Fight Dragons said:

The card number means it almost certainly costs 0. You can check out all the missing cards with this sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vUzqEqnHtFnl24SKACZTqyiHhrOW9HQzTBjYAbAuaKU/edit

It may cost 0 fate, but 3 honor is a hefty price to get rid of a 2 cost chud.

Indeed. Assassination is not a tetsubo to be wielded wildly. Rather, it is a knife with which a skilled user can remove a particularly troublesome piece that was supporting the foe's entire force!

2 hours ago, JJ48 said:

Indeed. Assassination is not a tetsubo to be wielded wildly. Rather, it is a knife with which a skilled user can remove a particularly troublesome piece that was supporting the foe's entire force!

There is nothing more shameful than destroying a foe in his sleep, or poisoning his drink, as it is an admission that you are unfit to defeat him in open battle. So it is only with a heavy burden that a lord must arrange the foe's assassination.

Prefferably, a lord does not arrange the foe's assasination, but one of his retainers acts on their own thus saving the lord shame.

Plausible deniability is a *****, especially in a society where your confession of not acting on your lords orders will "officially" clear them of any suspicion.

1 minute ago, WHW said:

Prefferably, a lord does not arrange the foe's assasination, but one of his retainers acts on their own thus saving the lord shame.

Plausible deniability is a *****, especially in a society where your confession of not acting on your lords orders will "officially" clear them of any suspicion.

And yet, when an assassination is carried out successfully, many lives are spared in avoiding the battle that would otherwise occur: the blood of samurai and peasants alike would inevitably be spilt in the name of honor.

That's the Honor in a nutshell.

Win, and it's honorable.

Lose, and it's not.