The 2017 SC is the same size as the 2016 SC when we checked. Regionals 2016 was a bit short.

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

You arent doing our industry proud with that comment!

Cutting impliments will be steel, which have vastly different thermal properties than plastic. So whilst the measured distance for cutting is based on steel, the resting distance is based on plastic.

This is the main issue with using carbon fibre or GRP in construction. Concrete and steel have such wonderfully similiar thermal properties.

With that all said. The movements we talk about on bridges under thermal expansion are miniscule, so this seems a bit of a ridiculous explanation.

All I was stating was that I understand the changes in the material. And that although miniscule the change in a reference beam due to the sun can significantly affect a Static Load Test as our displacement measurements are to 0.001 inch accuracy.

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

You arent doing our industry proud with that comment!

Cutting impliments will be steel, which have vastly different thermal properties than plastic. So whilst the measured distance for cutting is based on steel, the resting distance is based on plastic.

This is the main issue with using carbon fibre or GRP in construction. Concrete and steel have such wonderfully similiar thermal properties.

With that all said. The movements we talk about on bridges under thermal expansion are miniscule, so this seems a bit of a ridiculous explanation.

Yeah, they are most likely doing molds or laser cutting, so the steel explanation is ridiculous (unless you are talking about cardboard). The laser cutting would be very precise if given proper dimensions. They must be using different services and just sending them the cardboard. Then someones ruler must be a bit messed up at the end and they are actually measuring from the end or maybe they just used a tape measure and didn't know any better. The only reason for this happening outside of human error is moisture in the high density cardboard. Even then not controlling for that is human error.

On 7/2/2017 at 11:03 AM, Drasnighta said:

Unless all Rulers are produced either:

1) All at the same time and in the same place from Materials produced at the same time in the same place.

or

2) In a completely temperature-and-pressure controlled environment where all primary and secondary materials are produced...

You will get variances. Those Variances will vary based on materials involved, but there will be humidity and pressure variances at the very least.

Wait... is that true of regular rulers? Are you trying to say that kids 99 cent school rulers aren't all the same length?

I roll to disbelieve. I succeed.

Just now, Requete said:

Wait... is that true of regular rulers? Are you trying to say that kids 99 cent school rulers aren't all the same length?

I roll to disbelieve. I succeed.

Hell of a Will Save you have there.

Must be a Cleric, based on your Avatar picture.

Having sent files for laser cutting on multiple occasions, it wouldn't shock me if the disparity between them all is simply down to what software opened the file at the production end. Assuming all of the design and layup is being done in house at FFG, and sent out for production elsewhere, the scaling being slightly off wouldn't be unheard of. This is why you generally have a proof done and checked before you actually go ahead with the production, which may be a step they skipped to save time, or because they trusted to the manufacturer (or even that the proof was fine but there was no QC on the actual batch run).

I've had items cut on an Epilog that were a couple of mil larger on one axis or another when they were done on a Lasersaur or a Trotec, and vise versa. Sometimes it's the software, sometimes the machine calibration, and sometimes it's literally just the consolidation of layups. The 2017 SC rulers looked a lot like axis drift was the cause, but could easily have been layup for the machine.

Good point. The amount of plastic I had to chuck in the bin whilst laser cutting cause I forgot to turn off the auto 99% scaling...

Standard scenario after cutting a full 4x2 sheet of parts in one go.

"These look great!"
"Why isn't this fitting?"
"Hand me a vernier..."
"..."
"Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge"*
"Need a new sheet..."

(* May have been a harsher word)

The SC 2017 ruler is the most accurate one I've seen to date. Also, double-sided.

I'll never need another Armada ruler until I break this one.

After the tragedy of Darth Regionals 2016 the Awful, it's a welcome surprise.

Easier is for both players to use the same range ruler for champ games and such.

This way they both get the same penalties or benefits

2 minutes ago, mobow213 said:

Easier is for both players to use the same range ruler for champ games and such.

This way they both get the same penalties or benefits

And yet, I've never seen this issue or concern raised in a game, ever, only on these forums.

1 minute ago, Darthain said:

And yet, I've never seen this issue or concern raised in a game, ever, only on these forums.

Seen it at a regional champ game where someone that had a aftermarket ruler. Which meant he was able to fire his ISD 4 read at my ship that had no shield and 2 hull points left, vs it being safe and out of range.

1 minute ago, mobow213 said:

Seen it at a regional champ game where someone that had a aftermarket ruler. Which meant he was able to fire his ISD 4 read at my ship that had no shield and 2 hull points left, vs it being safe and out of range.

Aftermarket can be removed on your request, bit different. You require to have a full set of legal items (although we use the cog o two stuff quite judiciously locally, never a hiccough. FFG is very discriminate in what level they have allowed the 3 piece (close/med/long) rulers to be available, which is foolish as they help so much.)

5 hours ago, Darthain said:

Aftermarket can be removed on your request, bit different. You require to have a full set of legal items (although we use the cog o two stuff quite judiciously locally, never a hiccough. FFG is very discriminate in what level they have allowed the 3 piece (close/med/long) rulers to be available, which is foolish as they help so much.)

And yet the brought out their own 3 range rulers, that are worse than all 3rd party ones....
But these FFG ones are legal.

Okay so now I'm super curious, what are the official lengths for each section supposed to be??? The entire rule is supposed to be one foot or thirty centimetres???

6 hours ago, SkyCake said:

Okay so now I'm super curious, what are the official lengths for each section supposed to be??? The entire rule is supposed to be one foot or thirty centimetres???

The only "official" lenght is of the whole ruler. And this is, as you said, 1' (30.48 cm).

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Define Play Area and Setup Area : Clear a 3' x 6' play area. Then, establish a 3' x 4' setup area by using the length of the range ruler to place the setup area markers 1' from the short edges of the play area. The players sit across from each other on the 6' edges of the play area.

But there is no official information of the lenght for each range and distance.