Pilot Leia

By Princezilla, in X-Wing

So. Leia. We are five years and eleven, /ELEVEN/, waves into this game and so far the only showing for one of the single most iconic characters in the entire franchise is one crew upgrade card which is barely practical in the much less played epic it was designed for. That's disgraceful, particularly when we are getting one off bosses from a defunct MMO as top level pilots. Now, this isn't entirely on FFG, pre reboot content makers for the EU were obnoxiously reluctant to portray her in any kind of combat role regardless of the medium so it'd be harder for them to find a ship for her. This is dispite the fact that she has the best shot to kill ratio of any character in A New Hope and the most formal combat training of any of the original trio. But there are still some and there have been more and more instances of her piloting since the relaunch. Additionally, FFG has also shown that they have no issue throwing established characters in to ships which they are never seen flying in any other sources (see the entire pilot lineup for the ARC). So... Where is she?

Naboo N-1 Starfighter seems to be the best bet, as it's the only ship (aside from the Falcon) she's ever been seen piloting. Fingers crossed!

4 minutes ago, BoxerlessBossk said:

Naboo N-1 Starfighter seems to be the best bet, as it's the only ship (aside from the Falcon) she's ever been seen piloting. Fingers crossed!

Yeah that's the one I hear the most for her and I do like the idea, there are some interesting options for the ship. I do wonder why she was completely absent in any form from the original Falcon release though...

The Mirrorbright from the Bloodlines novel would be a cool ship to see too.

It was around after the civil war ended and before the resistance was formed so who knows what faction it would be classified as.

3 minutes ago, Princezilla said:

Yeah that's the one I hear the most for her and I do like the idea, there are some interesting options for the ship. I do wonder why she was completely absent in any form from the original Falcon release though...

Still don't even have an Obi-Wan.

Just now, tortugatron said:

Still don't even have an Obi-Wan.

In fairness to that though, he really didn't do anything at all during the Civil War era except give vague cryptic advice, get in one swordfight and then die. And he canonically hated flying.

Just now, Princezilla said:

In fairness to that though, he really didn't do anything at all during the Civil War era except give vague cryptic advice, get in one swordfight and then die. And he canonically hated flying.

If he didn't shut down the tractor beam, the Death Star blows up the whole galaxy and the imps win.

Leia's not a starfighter pilot. At best she can "drive" a freighter like the Falcon. She can use a blaster, do politics, etiquette, is force sensitive, that's a sufficient skill set, there's no point making her a new Mary Sue.
And yes, comic books sucks.

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9 minutes ago, Princezilla said:

Yeah that's the one I hear the most for her and I do like the idea, there are some interesting options for the ship. I do wonder why she was completely absent in any form from the original Falcon release though...

What did she do on the falcon? she was there but she did nothing on the falcon itself.

1 minute ago, Princezilla said:

In fairness to that though, he really didn't do anything at all during the Civil War era except give vague cryptic advice, get in one swordfight and then die. And he canonically hated flying.

He should be a crew card though. I'd make him nullify tractor beam effects. Would be really fun if we had an Obi Wan force ghost crew card.

8 minutes ago, Princezilla said:

In fairness to that though, he really didn't do anything at all during the Civil War era except give vague cryptic advice, get in one swordfight and then die. And he canonically hated flying.

He did about as much for the Rebellion as Bodhi Rook, and that guy shows up as both a pilot and crew card!

2 minutes ago, Icelom said:

What did she do on the falcon? she was there but she did nothing on the falcon itself.

She did a lot of complaining while on the Falcon which prompted Han to maybe try a little harder at best. Maybe a new Leia YT-1300 pilot card could read "Once per round, whenever you complain aloud about FFG, you may perform 1 free Evade action"

1 minute ago, PhantomFO said:

He did about as much for the Rebellion as Bodhi Rook, and that guy shows up as both a pilot and crew card!

** spoilers **

Bodhi Rook scarified everything to smuggle out the communication and intel that eventually lead to the plans being stolen for the death star, that were used to explode it (not to mention the fact without him on the surface the transmission would not have happened...). He did what he thought was right at extreme personal risk and cost on several occasions.

The guy is one of the biggest hero's of the entire rebellion imo. Without him and his various contributions the rebellion is crushed.

9 minutes ago, Icelom said:

What did she do on the falcon? she was there but she did nothing on the falcon itself.

She pilots it at the end of Empire when they're going to pick up Luke from the spiral underneath Cloud City. She's never shown to be an amazing pilot... but she has always been able to fly.

5 minutes ago, Icelom said:

** spoilers **

Bodhi Rook scarified everything to smuggle out the communication and intel that eventually lead to the plans being stolen for the death star, that were used to explode it (not to mention the fact without him on the surface the transmission would not have happened...). He did what he thought was right at extreme personal risk and cost on several occasions.

The guy is one of the biggest hero's of the entire rebellion imo. Without him and his various contributions the rebellion is crushed.

He is a traitor that joined a terrorist organization and helped leak information that eventually lead to the death of millions of innocent soldiers of the empire. I'm glad he died for his treasonous actions!

;)

I agree and agree.

I would like for her to have a larger or better role in this wonderful game, but where? She isn't a pilot, more of a bus driver. She is an amazing soldier, great political leader, but to make - second crew card?

I almost took her to the 40th anniversary event at my LGS with the Falcon because Fluff... then realized C-3P0 is also fluffy and a much better choice.... still, would have been nice to get my wins and have Leia be part of that.

5 minutes ago, Ccwebb said:

I agree and agree.

I would like for her to have a larger or better role in this wonderful game, but where? She isn't a pilot, more of a bus driver. She is an amazing soldier, great political leader, but to make - second crew card?

Second crew card, why not? Sabine is piloting everything under the sun including cross faction ships, having two crew cards of the same character that do different things wouldn't be all too bad.

Heck, you could make the second crew card TFA era Leia, and more focus on her abilities as a general rather than a princess.

"When a friendly ship at range 1-2 is attacking, it may remove 1 stress token."

3 points or something.

34 minutes ago, Princezilla said:

In fairness to that though, he really didn't do anything at all during the Civil War era except give vague cryptic advice, get in one swordfight and then die. And he canonically hated flying.

Uh, I think you're forgetting one thing. He warned Vader if Vader struck him down he would be more powerful than Vader could imagine. What did Vader do? Struck him *right* down!! Are you telling me that someone who clearly will become that powerful can't fly a starship?!? I might have to watch the movies 2, possibly 7 more times, to make sure you understand how powerful he is! And he's probably sitting on that **** ghost log with Anakin being all salty about not having a card in the Xwing game. You can be sure bout that!

6 minutes ago, Warlon said:

Second crew card, why not? Sabine is piloting everything under the sun including cross faction ships, having two crew cards of the same character that do different things wouldn't be all too bad.

Heck, you could make the second crew card TFA era Leia, and more focus on her abilities as a general rather than a princess.

"When a friendly ship at range 1-2 is attacking, it may remove 1 stress token."

3 points or something.

Touché!

58 minutes ago, BoxerlessBossk said:

Naboo N-1 Starfighter seems to be the best bet, as it's the only ship (aside from the Falcon) she's ever been seen piloting. Fingers crossed!

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Of course we could bump Leia's pilot skill to 7 (since apparently she is a very skilled pilot in the new canon).

38 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

Leia's not a starfighter pilot. At best she can "drive" a freighter like the Falcon. She can use a blaster, do politics, etiquette, is force sensitive, that's a sufficient skill set, there's no point making her a new Mary Sue.
And yes, comic books sucks.

She had more flying experience then Luke did but no one is calling him a Mary Sue. The fact is she is the best trained of the original trio, has as much or more screen time flying then Chewie and a whole host of other characters, is force sensitive, has been shown in several publications to be an extremely capable pilot which makes perfect sense considering her father was a founding member of the Rebel Alliance and she's been involved in it since she was a teenager. Bail had access to dozens of Clone Wars veterans to train her, the best flight simulation trainers money could buy, plus much more and there is no way in hell he wouldn't put all that at her disposal to ensure his daughter could keep herself safe. He also had an entire network of agents and blockade runners, all skilled pilots, but she was the one he trusted to get the Death Star plans away safely, do you really think he would risk his daughter on that if he didn't know that if it came to it and they had to abandon the Tantive she could outfly any possible pursuit?

41 minutes ago, Icelom said:

** spoilers **

Bodhi Rook scarified everything to smuggle out the communication and intel that eventually lead to the plans being stolen for the death star, that were used to explode it (not to mention the fact without him on the surface the transmission would not have happened...). He did what he thought was right at extreme personal risk and cost on several occasions.

The guy is one of the biggest hero's of the entire rebellion imo. Without him and his various contributions the rebellion is crushed.

He didn't actually join the Rebellion until after the first act was over, as he was spending that time getting tortured by Saw Guerrera. His first real action was stealing a freighter at the end of Act 2. His contribution to the Rebellion is pretty much on par with Obi-Wan's, who sacrificed his life to shut down the tractor beam that allowed the Falcon to escape.

20 minutes ago, Princezilla said:

She had more flying experience then Luke did but no one is calling him a Mary Sue. The fact is she is the best trained of the original trio, has as much or more screen time flying then Chewie and a whole host of other characters, is force sensitive, has been shown in several publications to be an extremely capable pilot which makes perfect sense considering her father was a founding member of the Rebel Alliance and she's been involved in it since she was a teenager. Bail had access to dozens of Clone Wars veterans to train her, the best flight simulation trainers money could buy, plus much more and there is no way in hell he wouldn't put all that at her disposal to ensure his daughter could keep herself safe. He also had an entire network of agents and blockade runners, all skilled pilots, but she was the one he trusted to get the Death Star plans away safely, do you really think he would risk his daughter on that if he didn't know that if it came to it and they had to abandon the Tantive she could outfly any possible pursuit?

I think you're majorly discounting literally every other Star Wars pilot in this analysis. For example, Luke may not have had formal training but it was establishe in ANH that he and Biggs were expierenced pilots (Beggars Canyon) and that Luke was a very good shot (Womp Rats). Chewbacca was the companion to a renowned smuggler with experience evading and outrunning Imperial patrols as well as other criminal elements. In what canon do we have evidence of Leia being a seasoned pilot? The only two instances I know of are when she flies the N1 and when the party is leaving cloud city.

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15 minutes ago, Princezilla said:

She had more flying experience then Luke did but no one is calling him a Mary Sue. The fact is she is the best trained of the original trio

I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be good stuff.

Luke basically used all his free time learning to fly on his T-16. Solo has been a smuggler quite some time before ANH.
Leia being trained as a starfighter pilot, while sieging in the senate, is completely dumb. She's already a strong woman character, no need to add some more.