It was also confirmed in the errata for Eote that to use an active weapon quality you had to cause damage.. So no damage no sunder, weapons xould be sundered armor could not also.

In the Item Qualities entry, at the end of the fourth paragraph add: “Weapon qualities can only trigger on a successful attack, unless specified otherwise.”

From sunder

When attacked , the attacker chooses an item open wielded by thd targer (such as a weapn, shield or item on a belt),

A successful attack is one that has at least one net success. It doesn't have to inflict damage. Critical hits can only be activated if you do at least one point of damage, but this doesn't generally apply to other qualities (or talents).

6 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

A successful attack is one that has at least one net success. It doesn't have to inflict damage. Critical hits can only be activated if you do at least one point of damage, but this doesn't generally apply to other qualities (or talents).

I actually suspected that straight after posting.

10 hours ago, awayputurwpn said:

So I'll be doing 8 damage, Breach 1. Parry? The Threat is yours.

Also should we move this somewhere more interesting? I can narrate us into the crystal chamber if you like with my action!

Definite yes on the Parry. I'm at Strain 5, Wounds 0.

I'll use the threat to inflict 1 strain.

I think we are in the crystal chamber! At least I narrated that Hasal was in the chamber to begin with, and you came to me when the fight started. But if you were envisioning us in the hall right outside the chamber, feel free to narrate us moving into the chamber.

9 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

A successful attack is one that has at least one net success. It doesn't have to inflict damage. Critical hits can only be activated if you do at least one point of damage, but this doesn't generally apply to other qualities (or talents).

just to point out though that it does not say successful check in the erata, so ive put a question in to ask the devs if its at least 1 dmg or 1 success. Ive also asked if parried attacks count if it is the latter. It matters to me because in game I play a warden that uses a lot of unarmed, and while I accept the damage is lower, there is a lot he can do outside of damage, between movement debuffing, knockdown, fear, disorienting etc.

1 hour ago, syrath said:

just to point out though that it does not say successful check in the erata, so ive put a question in to ask the devs if its at least 1 dmg or 1 success. Ive also asked if parried attacks count if it is the latter. It matters to me because in game I play a warden that uses a lot of unarmed, and while I accept the damage is lower, there is a lot he can do outside of damage, between movement debuffing, knockdown, fear, disorienting etc.

I actually asked this exact question awhile back and forgot to post the response (which is now in the Developer answered questions). Short answer is "A successful attack is one that generates one or more uncancelled successes."

Now back to your regularly scheduled epic lightsaber duel...

I'll take the Defensive Stance maneuver, making it 3 total setback dice in addition to the normal difficulty to hit Gavin (including his Melee Defense).

I'll also activate my 2 ranks of Second Wind as an incidental, healing 2 strain, which should put me at 5/16 strain, 0/19 wounds.

Gain unleashed a furious series of attacks, each more powerful than the last, but he could break the Jedi's irritatingly cool defenses. They passed through the doorway to the crystal chamber, the Jedi not so much giving ground as getting better positioning. Gavin decided to switch things up, and attempted to match his opponent's defensive footwork, giving himself a breather as the space between the two of them widened slightly.

(sorry for the delay—I meant to post this much earlier, but here it was sitting on my browser hours later!)

In the light of the warriors' sabers, the adegan crystal seems to glow. Hasal draws his opponent closer to the crystal. He avoids blade contact with Gavin for a moment, spinning his saber in a flourish. Then he locks sabers with his enemy. They strain against each other. Finally Hasal breaks the lock--but not by attacking. He sweeps his lightsaber along the edge of the crystal housing, sending a shower of sparks over Gavin. The Jensaarai defender stumbles to regain his balance.

Hasal can feel the Force pulsing through him now, drawing strength toward him and away from his enemy. He lines up his next attack.

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I use the Makashi Flourish action with an Ebb power check. With the 3 successes, I heal 3 strain and inflict 3 strain on Gavin. I also spend 1 strain on Ebb to inflict 1 further strain, for a total of 4 strain to Gavin .

Then I use the 3 advantage with Makashi Flourish's other effect to stagger my opponent for 1 turn .

With my maneuver, I aim.

Strain 3/14, Wounds 0/16

8 hours ago, awayputurwpn said:

(sorry for the delay—I meant to post this much earlier, but here it was sitting on my browser hours later!)

No worries Such is life for those who play by post!

Dang son! I'll use my lone maneuver to take a Guarded Stance :-p that's 3 setbacks to attack, once more.

Gavin stumbled backwards from the cascade of sparks, his vision obscured. Blasted darkvision gear! His artificial optical enhancers were adjusting to the sudden over-illumination, and he couldn't see anything for a moment. As he backpedaled, his heels caught on spiral steps leading upward and he nearly fell. He held his saber out in a warding position, attempting to get the upper hand on the bottom steps of the flight of stairs. His vision began clearing, and he regained his footing, but he was in no position to launch an assault. So instead, he steeled himself against his enemy's precision saberwork.

33 minutes ago, awayputurwpn said:

Dang son!

Yeah, I'm not complaining about these rolls!

Hasal held his blade steady as Gavin flailed at the foot of the stairs. With his enemy off balance, he was tempted to charge in and end the battle--but then he remembered the armor. It would take more than a single stroke to finish the Jensaarai, even with the dark warrior on the back foot.

So Hasal held back, studying the situation, readying his attack. Then he moved in with a series of strikes, wearing down Gavin's defenses. He saw an opening and struck. Again he felt the temptation to end the battle quickly. There is so much at stake , he thinks. If I push him... If I use my aggression just this once... perhaps it is worth it. He was tempted to feed his connection to the Force with his aggression and fear, draining Gavin's strength.

No! I am a Jedi. He held himself back, refusing to draw on the Force in a moment of temptation.

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I take a second Aim maneuver, then attack with Ebb. No Light Side pips, so I don't activate the power. But I hit for 9 damage again, with 5 advantage including the bonus from the curved saber. (Still not complaining )

Parry?

1 hour ago, DaverWattra said:

Parry?

Nope!

Hasal rushes past Gavin, climbing several stairs to take the high ground and stabbing with his saber as he passes his enemy. The point of his blade sparks and then sizzles as it drives into the cortosis armor. He thinks he must have pierced the armor, and when Gavin shudders in reaction, that seems to confirm it.

As he passes the Jensaarai, he brings the pommel of his saber down again upon the warrior's helmet. He steps back and catches his breath. He has the high ground. Now if he can just use it...

7 minutes ago, awayputurwpn said:

Nope!

Probably the right call... although it gave me another opportunity to make an extremely beneficial lucky roll.

I use 2 advantage to inflict a critical injury, another 2 to activate the Stun 2 pommel cap, inflicting 2 strain on Gavin, and 1 to heal 1 strain.

The critical injury result is At The Brink, so from now on Gavin will suffer 1 strain whenever he takes an action.

Now at Strain 2/14, Wounds 0/16

Your move, @awayputurwpn

I'll use my Durable talent to reduce the crit roll by 10, making it an 83, which means I am only Winded—I cannot voluntarily suffer strain to activate an abilities or gain additional maneuvers. Given the circumstances, I think that benefits my situation slightly more taking a maneuver to aim...

Gavin winced as the Jedi's lightsaber found purchase between the cortosis plates of his armor. He tried as best as he could to respond with discipline and wisdom, slowing his paces and catching a breather. One strike, then two, then three—all designed to be easily parried, but also to allow him to center himself.

...and I really can't catch a break here! A total of 4 Advantage on my Lightsaber check, and I will use all of those 4 Advantage to heal strain.

7/16 strain, 2/19 wounds. We are still currently engaged and I'm at 2 Melee Defense.

17 minutes ago, awayputurwpn said:

I'll use my Durable talent to reduce the crit roll by 10, making it an 83

Oh yeah, I forgot you had Durable... thank God, I didn't want the fight to be over that quick.

The two warriors clash back and forth. Hasal tries to draw on the Light Side of the Force, but the peace of the Jedi eludes him, and he finds only anger and fear. The Force is testing me. I will not fail.

Gavin's half-hearted attacks give him time to prepare a powerful strike. Adopting a rare two-handed stance, the Makashi master raises his saber above his head and brings it down with great force, abandoning flourish in favor of raw power.

I Aim twice (taking 2 strain) and then attack. 11 damage, 4 advantage total with the curved hilt. All Dark Side, so again I don't use Ebb.

Strain 4/14, Wounds 0/16

Parry, @awayputurwpn ?

Just now, DaverWattra said:

Parry, @awayputurwpn ?

No sir!

Hasal brings his saber solidly down on Gavin's armored shoulder. He follows this up with another blow from his pommel.

I use Stun 2 again and inflict another crit: (rolled 44+10).

16 minutes ago, DaverWattra said:

I use Stun 2 again and inflict another crit: (rolled 44+10-10) Bowled Over, which deals another strain (3 strain total this turn) and knocks Gavin prone.

I'll actually elect not to activate my Durable talent, allowing the roll to be the true total of 54. I increase the Difficulty of all Presence & Willpower checks until the end of the encounter. No falling for me

I'll complete my turn after my appointment that's just coming up, might be a couple hours but will try and get back ASAP! Caught a little opening, had 10 minutes so here we go!

Wow, did you roll a third miss??? The odds of that with 4 yellow must be under 1%

Gavin wasn't quite quick enough. His instincts caused him to move his head out of the way, but then he cried out as his opponent's saber made contact with his shoulder, sending sparks off the cortosis and burning his neck. Fighting through the pain, Gain pushed forward, picking up a bit of speed in his practiced swordsmanship; but the Jedi held firm in his defenses, deftly moving backwards up the stairs, catching every blow with a casual parry and riposte. Finally they locked sabers, and Gavin tried to push through, taking the fight up the spiral and into the open air of the observation deck. Still the Jedi flawlessly held his own.

The wind swept up around them, causing their cloaks to swirl about them as their lightsabers sparked and screamed, as if protesting the relentless contact.

"You will not survive this meeting, Jedi. Your corruption ends at the point of my lightsaber!" Gavin bellowed over the noise of the gale and the clashing weapons.

Oh come on! 2 Advantage Gotta take it and heal 2 more strain, putting me back down at 7/16, lol. And now 6/19 wounds. And 2 critical injuries :-p

5 minutes ago, DaverWattra said:

Wow, did you roll a third miss??? The odds of that with 4 yellow must be under 1%

Never tell me the odds!

I swear to god I wasn't intentionally setting you up for that

"Only if the point of your lightsaber can find its mark," Hasal retorts. "Don't forget that this Valley is the domain of the Jedi. The Force will not allow you to defeat me here."

As he taunts the Jensaarai, he weaves in and out of reach, drawing Gavin in. Finally the darkness that has clouded his mind seems to lift. The Force is telling him where to step, where to place his blade. His motions are measured, while Gavin's become ever more exaggerated and exhausting as he is forced to over-correct to counter Hasal. Then Hasal unleashes a flurry of attacks.

Aim once, then attack. 11 damage, 3 advantage. I use Ebb to deal 3 strain to Gavin , putting me at 5/14 strain.

Parry? (I have to ask)