Hi
Just released a new blog about the current meta in the store championship.
https://datanotrelevant.wordpress.com/2017/06/20/imperials-in-the-store-championship-2017/
Regards
Resolver
Blog: Store Championship and imperials in the meta
I know its probably an outlier, but the last store champ I was at (34 players) had a huge proportion of Imperials (at least half of the lists). Top four consisted of 2 rebel players and 2 imperial players.
I think store champs are a bit looser and people play a bit more for fun than regionals plus kinda tourneys, so Imperials will represent and do OK. But the meta OP (Jumps, Attani, Miranda, Sabine, Stress, Biggs, etc.) are still that, and in the right hands, Imps don't really have as good a shot at trophies. Thankfully, this is a bit of a respite from that meta....
If it wasn't for mindlink & jumpmasters, I'd say imperials are for sure the best faction currently. Almost all their ships are good to great, especially their aces.
They are definitely the hardest faction for me to beat currently.
Last SC I went to had 3/4 Imperials in the Top 4. All three with Quickdraw.
4 hours ago, markcsoul said:If it wasn't for mindlink & jumpmasters, I'd say imperials are for sure the best faction currently. Almost all their ships are good to great, especially their aces.
They are definitely the hardest faction for me to beat currently.
Imperials definitely have the best internal balance. I love flying Imperials v Imperials. It's a ton of fun.
They definitely have the most options and variety. What they don't have (Kylo aside) is the ability to cheat the rules.
People always talk about the action efficiency of Attanni Mindlink but they never talk about the dial efficiency granted by Mindlink. Fenn can do any move, PTL Aces cannot.
Bombs, TLTs, Biggs, Stress, Double Stress.
It's not that these things hurt Imperials, it's that these things give you more room for error. Many Imperial lists can't make a mistake. This is great in Imperial v Imperial matches where the best pilot will come out on top and tough in Imperial v Meta matches where the margin for error is lower for the Imperials.
I think Imperials are still great. They also have the advantage of "not being the meta" for the first time in a long time. That is big. They can look at the meta and figure out what they need to be to beat it. QuickDraw is naturally doing very well in an environment where an alpha strike and bonus unfront attacks are prized.
I think on an individual game to game basis the factions are probably more evenly based that people give them credit for. Its just that in a tournament many of the Meta lists just have that margin for error that make sure it easier for them to advance.
If you use meta-wing and filter on Store Championships only there's not a single Rebel pilot in the Top 10. It's the usual Scum stuff and Quickdraw/Backdraft/Vessery.
I genuinely think Imperials are no worse than Rebels at the moment, and arguably better.
I'm seeing a lot of imperials at store championships too.
Don't tell imperial players though. They're still positive that FFG hates them and imperials are unplayable (case in point: they didn't win worlds).
14 hours ago, markcsoul said:If it wasn't for mindlink & jumpmasters, I'd say imperials are for sure the best faction currently. Almost all their ships are good to great, especially their aces.
They are definitely the hardest faction for me to beat currently.
I think you are right. The Empire has tons of great ships with excellent pilot abilities but are held down by the few outliers to the power curve. If Jumpmasters and Advanced SLAM are taken care of in an FAQ then Imperials will be in a great place. The Empire lacks some of the obviously OP crap(other than Kylo) that the other factions have but overall they are solid.
On 29.6.2017 at 11:11 AM, SOTL said:If you use meta-wing and filter on Store Championships only there's not a single Rebel pilot in the Top 10. It's the usual Scum stuff and Quickdraw/Backdraft/Vessery.
Which timeframe and settings? I always have K-Wings, X-Wings (=Biggs) and even the ARC and/or the attack shuttle in there.
edit: I just realized you look at Pilots, not ships. You're right there.
which raises the question to me which is more interesting. Ships shows what is seen on tables while Pilots shows how dominating Scum is
Edited by GreenDragoonDefault is last 30 days I believe.
9 hours ago, SOTL said:If you use meta-wing and filter on Store Championships only there's not a single Rebel pilot in the Top 10. It's the usual Scum stuff and Quickdraw/Backdraft/Vessery.
Well, really just Quickdraw + 2. Vessery is almost always one of those ships. The third ship varies quite a bit.
49 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:Well, really just Quickdraw + 2. Vessery is almost always one of those ships. The third ship varies quite a bit.
Well on metawing it's those three.
I'm glad our local meta tends to the weird side of things. We did have a Dengar/Tel, flown by a good player, who ended up 5th. At 18 players, we skipped the cut due to the fact that it was Sunday evening and we had only one undefeated at that point anyways.
The top 4 was a mix of meta from Montreal (Ryad/Vess/OL and Asajj/Fenn/Palob) and Ottawa/Gatineau quirkiness (BBBBZ and Kath/Ketsu). I'm happy my ladies got me the plaque in the end against the defenders, but it was a ridiculously close game! I'm also happy I never had to test whether I could beat BBBBZ...
17 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:Default is last 30 days I believe.
I get K-Wing on 6th, X-Wing on 7th, ARC on 9th and Attack Shuttle on 10th?
For last 30 days, Store Championships only.
edit: duh, these are ships in the link, not the pilots which SOTL mentioned
Edited by GreenDragoonOn the meta wing; two questions:
1) Does this quantify how many of each ship in tourneys weighted by wins? By entry lists? or how?
2) Can anyone clarify the TIEs? TIE/LNs are 13th, but can they quantify actual TIEs vs. stolen ones so we know if it's still best in the hands of patriot pilots or thieves; just to know how that's shaking out.
Interesting ?
29 minutes ago, SOTL said:Well on metawing it's those three.
Hm that's accurate. Looks like the one I went to isn't on Juggler yet. I've had success with OL. The big thing is that Quickdraw and Vessery make such a good pair.
13 minutes ago, clanofwolves said:On the meta wing; two questions:
1) Does this quantify how many of each ship in tourneys weighted by wins? By entry lists? or how?
2) Can anyone clarify the TIEs? TIE/LNs are 13th, but can they quantify actual TIEs vs. stolen ones so we know if it's still best in the hands of patriot pilots or thieves; just to know how that's shaking out.
Interesting ?
1) What?
2) You'd have to take the entries apart yourself. For example, in the settings I linked, you have 123 squadrons with a total of 174 TIEs being flown, of which 82 were Rebel. Also interesting that of the 92 imperial TIEs, 40 were flown in just 8 lists. But 46 are "missing", which means it's a pain to dig them out. This does not take into account how well they did - at a glance it looks as if rebel TIEs do much better.
1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:1) What?
2) ...at a glance it looks as if rebel TIEs do much better.
1) So it's not weighted by how well the ship did (how many games it won), just what ships showed at an event as a participants pick?
2) My inner child (Star Wars fan #1) is very sad regarding this travesty...
@Resolver I want to congratulate you on a really good article. You made the right decision to move away from ignoring statistics to actually analysing them. Well done sir.
On an offtop note:
@SOTL @Stay On The Leader you two are the same person, right?
Edited by Elavion1 hour ago, clanofwolves said:On the meta wing; two questions:
1) Does this quantify how many of each ship in tourneys weighted by wins? By entry lists? or how?
2) Can anyone clarify the TIEs? TIE/LNs are 13th, but can they quantify actual TIEs vs. stolen ones so we know if it's still best in the hands of patriot pilots or thieves; just to know how that's shaking out.
Interesting ?
1) no, it's how well the pilot did, weighted by how often it's seen doing well and how big the events are where it dies well. How often it's played is only a supporting factor (if one person uses a ship and won meta-wing downweights it as possibly a fluke. If 100 people do well it assumes it's probably good).
2). TIEs are TIEs regardless of faction. You'll be able to drill down to individual pilots though. Yes, it's Rex.
20 minutes ago, Elavion said:
I believe so.