17 hours ago, DrakonLord said:

Have you ever tried to sit down and play a game with a 15 year old? You should expect you will get half way through before you pack up cuz they get bored.

@BrobaFett played a 1000 point game with one once over a few day periods

Or any of my opponents in the vassal tournaments. So please don't think the majority of 15 year olds have no interest in longer games to get the strategical thought required for Armada. I know many people who would be entirely capable of playing skillfully for the entirety of the game.

Also to those saying that children preferring the OT is "good parenting" I tell you that the OT don't even go as deep in character building about emotion and conflicts as episodes III, VII or RO. I love the prequels as much as the originals and the sequel (First half of episode II doesn't count, geonosis and the beginning of the clone wars saves it from being a complete disaster, but still not completely ) and Rogue One is my favourite movie of the saga that has been a part of my life for as long as my memory works.

On 21/07/2017 at 5:28 PM, JgzMan said:

Gozanti

Interdictor

Arquitens

Phoenix Home

Imperial Light Carrier

Hammerhead Corvette

It's important to note that while, except for the Interdictor, these are all "new canon" ships, none of them firmly displace anything from the EU, or from the OT. I mean, I would have prefered a Tartan Patrol Cruiser to the Raider, but I'll live.

To be really pedantic and a bit late, all of these other than the Hammerhead Corvette go back to at least The Clone Wars. The Gozanti was in Episode I, and the Imperial Light Cruiser first appeared as an Alliance carrier in a '96 sourcebook, later appearing in Star Wars Rebellion/Supremacy. They've all been updated and tinkered a bit for Rebels, but the base ship is pretty old. Even the Hammerhead Corvette is 'inspired' by the KotOR's Hammerhead Cruisers.

In contrast, the Tartan Patrol Cruiser and Assault Frigate Mk II have so far only appeared in Empire at War. The MC30 is based on RotJ concept art and made its first (very subtle) appearance in Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight. Looking at the squadrons, a lot of them are pretty obscure as well - but instantly recognisable to those who have played the relevant games. The Scurrg first appeared in Starfighter (then Galaxies), the Decimator is also from Galaxies. Then you've got the Moldy Crow from the Dark Forces series, the YT-2400 from Shadows of the Empire and the wonderfully-obscure TIE Phantom from Rebel Assault II (and Empire at War).

I imagine adding stuff from Rebels is easier model-wise, as they probably have access to original Lucasfilm models - but they do seem to like throwing in stuff that most people may not have come across, even if it has been lurking around for 30 years like the Gladiator. I get the feeling their starting point for new ships is to find a hole in the game, then find something from the archives that fits it. Although the Hammerhead may be an exception to that.

I'm also guessing they haven't done anything from Episode VIII for Armada due to the lack of balance. They like pairing Empire and Rebel stuff up and while they could do that for X-Wing (the T-70 with the TIE/fo) so far we've had no Resistance capital ships. They could pair the Resurgent/Finalizer with the MC75 (they had to pair the TIE/sf with the ARC-170 and the Upsilon with the U-Wing), but I think they might prefer to wait for more Sequel-era capital ships before committing. Particularly given the challenges with fitting the Resurgent-class into the game (compared with something like the Venator which might be an Empire equivalent to pair with the MC75).

Anyway... my conclusion would be that there isn't too much point in trying to guess what new ships we will get. There are so many to choose from, and they've been bouncing all over Star Wars history so far (from the Clone Wars to the 10+ ABY E-Wings, from stuff from Droids in the 80s to ships from Rebels and Rogue One).

I can't see a Super Star Destroyer being a part of this game. They're just too massive.

I would like to see some non-arrowhead hull ships for the Empire out on the table. Some Bulk Crusiers or Support Carriers (ones that were seen in the X-Wing/TIE Fighter games.

They would be mid to small ship sizes.

The other thing I would love to see is some objective style 'ships' that could be released. An imperial ship yard including cargo containers and transport vessel and some defence fighter squadrons. Or a Rebel asteroid base with medium transports or other small shuttlecraft and defence fighter squadrons. Players could spend points on these instalations that would have different kinds of armaments and special objectives for the opponent and controlling player. Only one player would be able to have a objective 'ship' in their fleet.

Some ideas for the objective types would be for rebels to destroy or capture imperial supplies vs imperial having to protect supplies or even a specific cargo container/ship for bonus points (for the ship yard). The other (for the rebel base) is for the rebels to protect for a certain time while an evacuation takes place. For the rebels to outright repel the imperial forces. For the empire to destroy the base, land troops on the base, or destroy/capture a certain VIP vessel.

I feel like this could bring a bit more of a strategic feel to the game. Where the objective is alive and controlled and can cause damage or have damage inflicted. Also, nice models for these would be a bonus instead of cardboard tokens.

^THIS would be AWESOME!

They could be used in a scenario setting or even as part of a persistent campaign!

Imagine, Platforms like D-34 and Golan Defense Platforms.

Ahh...one can only dream and hope!

Wave 6 is fun, but I'm really excited for Wave 7.

28 minutes ago, Darthain said:

Wave 6 is fun, but I'm really excited for Wave 7.

What is it.

6 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

What is it.

I don't think he really cares. Just excited to see what's next.

7 hours ago, Archangelion said:

I can't see a Super Star Destroyer being a part of this game. They're just too massive.

I would like to see some non-arrowhead hull ships for the Empire out on the table. Some Bulk Crusiers or Support Carriers (ones that were seen in the X-Wing/TIE Fighter games.

They would be mid to small ship sizes.

The other thing I would love to see is some objective style 'ships' that could be released. An imperial ship yard including cargo containers and transport vessel and some defence fighter squadrons. Or a Rebel asteroid base with medium transports or other small shuttlecraft and defence fighter squadrons. Players could spend points on these instalations that would have different kinds of armaments and special objectives for the opponent and controlling player. Only one player would be able to have a objective 'ship' in their fleet.

Some ideas for the objective types would be for rebels to destroy or capture imperial supplies vs imperial having to protect supplies or even a specific cargo container/ship for bonus points (for the ship yard). The other (for the rebel base) is for the rebels to protect for a certain time while an evacuation takes place. For the rebels to outright repel the imperial forces. For the empire to destroy the base, land troops on the base, or destroy/capture a certain VIP vessel.

I feel like this could bring a bit more of a strategic feel to the game. Where the objective is alive and controlled and can cause damage or have damage inflicted. Also, nice models for these would be a bonus instead of cardboard tokens.

Well, why not make the SSD an objective ship?

A convoy of freighters that moves across the board as an objective to defend/destroy would be cool. And space stations of course.

You could expand it to one side having to get x amount of transports to one side of the board to effect a planetary assault as another mission.

I still think a brand new design for an imperial XL size base would be good. There are lots of designs floating around the internet that could serve as inspiration. FFG did it with the raider. There are lots of great EU designs (particularly rebel ships) that could still be mined. I hope FFG are not obligated to avoid these post-Disney.

9 hours ago, Undeadguy said:

What is it.

9 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

I don't think he really cares. Just excited to see what's next.

3 hours ago, Visovics said:

Well, why not make the SSD an objective ship?

Because the size would be the table. No one would be able to afford a model that size. It, like the death star, would be better off to be a play mat size considering.

59 minutes ago, Archangelion said:

Because the size would be the table. No one would be able to afford a model that size. It, like the death star, would be better off to be a play mat size considering.

Yeah, but scaling won't be the same anyway if it comes. CR90s can fit in the ISD's ventral bay, this means that ISDs would have to be much bigger, and the SSD would have to be of gigantic scale. But it isn't that way of scaling in armada, so the SSD can be of a size smaller than a table

1 hour ago, Visovics said:

Yeah, but scaling won't be the same anyway if it comes. CR90s can fit in the ISD's ventral bay, this means that ISDs would have to be much bigger, and the SSD would have to be of gigantic scale. But it isn't that way of scaling in armada, so the SSD can be of a size smaller than a table

Even if they were to scale the SSD to the ISD in the same manner as the ISD is scaled to the CR90 (roughly 50% of what it actually would be) the SSD would be twice the size of the X-Wing version of the CR90. It would cost around $200 for money and would probably cost 800 points to field. It would take up most of the tabletop making maneuvering a nightmare. Most people would probably buy it just to decorate their display cabinet and collect dust.

I'd love to be able to have something like that all the same, though I couldn't justify spending the money on it. I just don't think it's realistic to believe that FFG is going to make one.

57 minutes ago, Archangelion said:

Even if they were to scale the SSD to the ISD in the same manner as the ISD is scaled to the CR90 (roughly 50% of what it actually would be) the SSD would be twice the size of the X-Wing version of the CR90. It would cost around $200 for money and would probably cost 800 points to field. It would take up most of the tabletop making maneuvering a nightmare. Most people would probably buy it just to decorate their display cabinet and collect dust.

I'd love to be able to have something like that all the same, though I couldn't justify spending the money on it. I just don't think it's realistic to believe that FFG is going to make one.

They will release an SSD which will be about the size of the X-wing's raider. It will cost between $75-$100 dollars. It won't be allowed in tournement play. I am positive that when they created this game that they would have discussed the scale and would have planned on the ssd well before the game ever hit shelves. We will have an ssd, it's just a matter of when.

20 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

They will release an SSD which will be about the size of the X-wing's raider. It will cost between $75-$100 dollars. It won't be allowed in tournement play. I am positive that when they created this game that they would have discussed the scale and would have planned on the ssd well before the game ever hit shelves. We will have an ssd, it's just a matter of when.

The SSD would look so dumb sitting next to an ISD if it only measured 13 or 14 inches long. It would be a horrible representation of the ship's presence in the field. That's not even twice the ISD's size, the actual SSD is more like 11 or 12 times the length of an ISD.

If you were to go full scale for the SSD compared to the ISD model it would measure a little over 7 feet long. Keeping with the scaling between the CR90 and ISD the SSD length would be half that measuring it at about 3.5 feet (or roughly 40 inches). Even if you scaled that down by half (putting the SSD at 1/4 scale to the ISD) it would still come in around 20 inches. Not quite twice the size of the raider, but still large enough that it would at least seem large enough to represent it's enormous size. The problem with that size, however, is that moving it on the table would be trying, and moving around it would equally trying.

If they did release a 14 inch version of the SSD I wouldn't even bother buying it. Simply because I couldn't handle how dumb it would look.

The 14" version will have really tall pegs so it looks bigger when looking at it overhead. A little forced perspective.

I don't really care how out of scale it would be. If I can accept the current discrepancies in scale then I fail to see how this is any different. It's a pretty safe bet that when they do make the SSD I'll get 2 of them so FFG needs to hurry up and take my money. Wait, they already are even without it.

Guys, as there are tons of dedicated SSD threads could you please not derail this one with more discussion?

Everything is about SSD!!!

And it's on the topic like in every new wave... Do they release the Kraken?

Not yet, but maybe the next wave

I'm wondering if the next wave might actually end up being some of the new stuff from The Force Awakens/The Last Jedi era. Similar to what they did with X-Wing. Kylo Ren's Star Destroyer would be a neat addition, and weighing in at twice the size of the ISD it would make a nice addition to the fleet.

Please, for the love of the Force no.

19 minutes ago, ElSee said:

Please, for the love of the Force no.

I wouldn't put it past them. But they would probably weigh it against how popular their Force Awakens line for X-Wing is doing. If they find it's making them money you can probably count on seeing those ships in there.

Personally I would like to see some different expanded universe factions come into play. Not just Rebelion or Empire. The Chiss, The Hapan Concortium, The Yuuzahn Vong. Even smugglers had some larger ships, Talon Karrde's red ISD The Errant Venture anyone?

1 minute ago, Archangelion said:

Talon Karrde's red ISD The Errant Venture anyone?

"Booster" Terrik, not Karrde.

Karrde had the modified Action Transport (I believe), the Wild Karrde

6 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

"Booster" Terrik, not Karrde.

Karrde had the modified Action Transport (I believe), the Wild Karrde

My mistake. Its been a while since I've read a book from that series.

Just now, Archangelion said:

My mistake. Its been a while since I've read a book from that series.

No worries - I did recently reread the series when Thrawn's new book came out, since I couldn't afford a New Book, I felt it right to dig Heir out