All week I keep trying to make a list with whisper or echo or both.

Everytime I think I've got something mediocre I think...."yes but...turrets...so...screw that".

I can get a tie shuttle with Kylo then both phantoms...maybe get both the p.s. zero crits out there before the shuttle pops. Seems the best way to try both of them.

I can fit one or the other and kylo in a lambda plus Something annoying but small.feels like it lacks offense.

There's RAC/kylo in a few flavors. But for some reason I'm awful at keeping a decimator alive so ....that's out.

Similar with an upsilon. I just can't make it last.

Any advice on making a phantom competitive? Should I put all the whisper helper stuff on something ,let offense not be great...maybe widdle some points somewhere then play keep away the rest of the game?

RAC is the way to go if you are flying Echo. Gunner Kylo RAC has best chance to PS0 someone like Fenn or Dengar then you can bring Echo into the battle.

I dont think its the right time for phantoms. TLTs are gonna be even more prevalent thanks to the aggressor, and Scum have nasty bombers now and Rebels got even more bombs. "Ace-Wing" is going bye-bye and "Hull-Wing" is sticking around awhile.

For Echo, RAC/Kylo is really the best option. You desperately need the ability to stick those PS0 crits on PS9+ opponents to ensure his ACD works. Otherwise, he's just a Z95 with extra guns.

36 minutes ago, wurms said:

RAC is the way to go if you are flying Echo. Gunner Kylo RAC has best chance to PS0 someone like Fenn or Dengar then you can bring Echo into the battle.

I dont think its the right time for phantoms. TLTs are gonna be even more prevalent thanks to the aggressor, and Scum have nasty bombers now and Rebels got even more bombs. "Ace-Wing" is going bye-bye and "Hull-Wing" is sticking around awhile .

Yeah, and add "Regen-Wing" cause she's going up in the nasty scale.

1 hour ago, Velvetelvis said:

All week I keep trying to make a list with whisper or echo or both.

Everytime I think I've got something mediocre I think...."yes but...turrets...so...screw that".

I can get a tie shuttle with Kylo then both phantoms...maybe get both the p.s. zero crits out there before the shuttle pops. Seems the best way to try both of them.

I can fit one or the other and kylo in a lambda plus Something annoying but small.feels like it lacks offense.

There's RAC/kylo in a few flavors. But for some reason I'm awful at keeping a decimator alive so ....that's out.

Similar with an upsilon. I just can't make it last.

Any advice on making a phantom competitive? Should I put all the whisper helper stuff on something ,let offense not be great...maybe widdle some points somewhere then play keep away the rest of the game?

If you or anyone figures out how to make Aces competitive, beers on me!

I love Echo, and I will have to try her with RAC/Kylo now, thanks guys!

Why not both?

I ran a nice buzzsaw echo with a pair of Delta x7 defenders. It wasn't awful.

Wrecking Fenn rau on turn two thanks to a super funky decloak feint felt so good.

It makes think that if I stick with it and try to master the ship it could be ok long term.

Honestly I think echo is in a real good position to avoid bombs. I mean what more could you ask for besides backwards curved decloaks to disrespect bombers.

I'm sure I'm wrong about that somehow but it looks right on paper

Ive run Echo and Whisper with a BoSheck bomber. Fun as all hell to fly. And I think its got potential, but you gotta play it really good cause you have the staying power of a wet noodle.

2 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

I love Echo, and I will have to try her with RAC/Kylo now, thanks guys!

I've been trying to figure out canon genders on our Phantom pilots forever and have been unsuccessful. If you have some proof I would really appreciate it!

Here it refers to Echo as he/him:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/6/19/echo/

As does this one:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/5/5/cloaked-in-battle/

But Wookieepedia, only having FFG as a source, says Echo is female:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Echo_(TIE_Phantom_Pilot)

So, I guess we'll just refer to Echo as "zhe" or (grammatically incorrectly) "they," since, being a fictional person, Echo can't be asked what zher preferred pronouns are...

In the FAQ:

"“Echo” When declaring a decloak, the player controlling “Echo” must declare both the side and direction of the decloak. If “Echo” can perform the decloak, she must do so. If “Echo” cannot perform the decloak, the player controlling “Echo” may declare a decloak in any other direction, or he may choose not to decloak."

So yes, the original article contradicts this, but the FAQ is the latest official thing, so...

5 minutes ago, ObiWonka said:

In the FAQ:

"“Echo” When declaring a decloak, the player controlling “Echo” must declare both the side and direction of the decloak. If “Echo” can perform the decloak, she must do so. If “Echo” cannot perform the decloak, the player controlling “Echo” may declare a decloak in any other direction, or he may choose not to decloak."

So yes, the original article contradicts this, but the FAQ is the latest official thing, so...

Hot ****! Thanks!!

So, now they're using the FAQ to change genders of pilots too? I think that this whole errata thing has gone too far.

Okay so instead of making a new thread, I'll just hijack this one (sorry OP!). I'm making a female pilots / crew only list, and I want to run

Duchess, Ryad, and (the newly eligible!) Echo. How would you folks build such a list? My local meta is mostly rebel, non-regen non-k wing, so just build a good list and don't worry about bombs, scumwing, or TLTs.

I just remembered he's making an all female list too though, so maybe Sabine, Miranda, and Hera will be more likely...

Echo- vi,ACD,Intel agent,FCS

Ryad-ptl,engine upgrade,x7

Duchess- ailerons, adaptability

Bait with duchess, then wreck face with the other two.

I've been playing the following squad exclusively for the past couple months:

Echo with VI/ACD/FCS/Kallus

Whisper with VI/ACD/FCS/Rebel Captive

Scimitar bomber shuttle with Kylo crew

100 points

It has some awful matchups which can be evened out with good flying, some good Kylo use, and rolling some natural crits. It has some other REALLY awful matchups which you can't really do anything about. Double Shadowcaster is the ultimate nightmare matchup I've found.

So why on Earth have I stuck with it for so long? It's easily the most fun squad I've flown, and when you put it all together to overcome a bad matchup, it's pretty rewarding. That's why you should torture yourself, OP. I highly recommend it!

I took a top 4 last weekend out of 21 people with TC Fel, Intel agent Whisper, and Omega Leader proper. 100 points, and you don't care whether you get or give initiative. Just have to fly differently in different situations. Went 3-1 in rounds losing to Dengar/Tel, and lost in the top 4 to a crazy good player from out of state. He also knew to kill Whisper, and it didn't help that I nicked a rock on a risky maneuver. Great games though! All those rebels are PS8 or less so you kind of have a hayday with the list. A lot of people still really fear Omega Leader, I think he died first round each game. I could have easily slotted in a Kylo Bomber, maybe even Kylo Shuttle instead of Omega Leader. ****, now back to the list builder!

I'm not sure PS9 aces have a great run in this meta with Fenn and Dengar running rampant... and I've been tinkering with VI Carnor but its not going as well as I would like it. He's still 29 points of fragile.

8 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

If you or anyone figures out how to make Aces competitive, beers on me!

Cough Fenn cough

(I know you mean Imp aces I'm just messing)

One ship that I've been finding a surprisingly effective little support ship recently is Epsilon Ace/Targeting Synchroniser.

He's PS12 unless people exert effort to bring him down, and with his tech upgrade he has no particular reason to want to use his piddly 2-dice primary popguns, so can focus on (a) avoiding enemy attackers and (b) snagging target locks for someone more dangerous to use.

This would be nice anyway, but he works especially well with Echo - for 1 point more than normal, Echo can swap the normal Veteran Instincts for Decoy, and yoink Epsilon Ace's PS12 for the duration of the combat phase, letting him out-PS Fenn, Vader and even VI Chiraneau.

5 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:

This would be nice anyway, but he works especially well with Echo - for 1 point more than normal, Echo can swap the normal Veteran Instincts for Decoy , and yoink Epsilon Ace 's PS12 for the duration of the combat phase, letting him out-PS Fenn , Vader and even VI Chiraneau .

How can something so obvious be so mindblowing? I have to try that out

12 minutes ago, haslo said:

How can something so obvious be so mindblowing? I have to try that out

Have tried it many times and a good player will just disable Epsilon Ace's ability asap and then you're screwed.

5 hours ago, Keffisch said:

Have tried it many times and a good player will just disable Epsilon Ace's ability asap and then you're screwed.

I've tried it a few times a well, with the same result. The best use of Decoy is on Echo, with VI Chiraneau.

Step 1) Bid at least 3 points.

oh wow, that Decoy idea is awesome. So what would you do for crew in a Echo/Whisper build? Leaves you 3 points total to fill the crew slots. Kallus and Intel? Kallus and 1 point bid? 3 point bid? Ops Spec?

sniped for the answer lol