16 hours ago, blackholexan said:

I think that shortsighted shops owner are ruining this game way more than product shortage.

It looks to me that too many shop owners are kind of SWDhaters/MtG supporters and justify themselves with lack of product.

You don't want to invest money or efforts on a new game? Fine.

You accusing FFG/Asmodee of your lack of initiative? That is utterly wrong.

I understand where you're coming from but the simple reality is that no product = no game time.

It all comes down to path of least resistance, MTG keeps product on the shelf 365 days a year. This provides steady reliable income for shop owners and is essential to the continuation and possible growth of any game. MTG events are easy to run, limited formats puts everyone on the same starting level of cards (in theory), it sells booster and players get to open new cards, everybody wins.

Destiny has none of this currently, no consistent supply of stock, no multiple formats allowing new players to dip in the pool before spending $50 on a starter and a bunch of boosters to see if its their kind of game.

MTG (WOTC/Hasbro) has set in place a system that makes their product appealing and as easy to sell as they can make it. This is not to say Destiny can't get to the same place but its not there yet and its off to a really rocky start. Because of this naturally game shops are going to favor MTG over Destiny or any other new card game for that matter.

I consider myself and our local destiny community very lucky that our local store supports the game for us, because it makes so little money right now for him that the effort to plan events for us when he could be running MTG events means he's almost making a virtual loss because he knows he can make more money running an MTG event.

Destiny will in my opinion always live in the shadow of MTG, and that’s fine, but it can be so much more once the stock issues get sorted and if they can ever design a cheap practical limited/sealed format to improve stock sales.

4 hours ago, Mace Windu said:

I understand where you're coming from but the simple reality is that no product = no game time.

It all comes down to path of least resistance, MTG keeps product on the shelf 365 days a year. This provides steady reliable income for shop owners and is essential to the continuation and possible growth of any game. MTG events are easy to run, limited formats puts everyone on the same starting level of cards (in theory), it sells booster and players get to open new cards, everybody wins.

Destiny has none of this currently, no consistent supply of stock, no multiple formats allowing new players to dip in the pool before spending $50 on a starter and a bunch of boosters to see if its their kind of game.

MTG (WOTC/Hasbro) has set in place a system that makes their product appealing and as easy to sell as they can make it. This is not to say Destiny can't get to the same place but its not there yet and its off to a really rocky start. Because of this naturally game shops are going to favor MTG over Destiny or any other new card game for that matter.

I consider myself and our local destiny community very lucky that our local store supports the game for us, because it makes so little money right now for him that the effort to plan events for us when he could be running MTG events means he's almost making a virtual loss because he knows he can make more money running an MTG event.

Destiny will in my opinion always live in the shadow of MTG, and that’s fine, but it can be so much more once the stock issues get sorted and if they can ever design a cheap practical limited/sealed format to improve stock sales.

Maybe what I wrote was misunderstandable.

I didn't mean to compare SDW to MtG, that would have been unfair.

My point was on shop owners. Why giving an elaborate spiel about collateral topics when the simple reason is that you find other games more profitable? That's nothing bad about that. I don't bear the unfairness of them blaming FFG for anything that can be pointed to their (rightful) interests or their (actual) lack of initiative

22 hours ago, Hujoe Bigs said:

Now don't get me wrong, product does help, but I know locally no store is hurting for it right now. Sadly that's not every where, but the more prepared places that ordered from more than one distribution center got a decent allocation.

Also I thought you finally ran out of steam, but apparently as product becomes more scarce you turn up. Just to give lamentations of the failure that FFG is.

my store ordered 30 got 3 and this was as soon as they starting taking orders, prepared you are has nothing to be with anything. They simply don't print enough

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12 minutes ago, soviet prince said:

my store ordered 30 got 3 and this was as soon as they starting taking orders, prepared you are has nothing to be with anything. They simply don't print enough

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My store ordered from 3 vendors, ended up with 20ish SoR, 10 awakening reprint, and more on the way for SoR. So again, I think it has to do with numbers they ordered and amount of venders they ordered from. Still enough? No, probably not. FFG will need to up production, and I think they will as the game grows.

Errr UK wise Stock is everywhere. Shame USA has issues. Our store has 60 plus display's left that are sitting there

In my town, one store still has tons of stock, and you can buy it whenever you walk in there. That's probably because they've limited everybody to three packs a day.

The other store (my favorite store) didn't get any, because Asmodee did that whole single-distributor thing and they didn't get any stock ordered. I'm not sure what's happening out there, but there seems to be a decent amount of stock. The problem is how much the stores are outbidding each other to try to get some stock. They've all been ordering hundreds of boxes, because they know they'll need like ten.

ive been to four stores in my state.

for just awakenings i have one store that only sells 4 packs a day (they limited SoR to 6 packs a day and never sold boxes), one store that has 5 boxes going for MSRP + $10 (they have a bunch of boxes sitting around for both Awk and SoR), one store that didnt get any (but had boxes of SoR sitting around for weeks at a time), and one store that sold me the last box for 85 bucks but was unable to get any more when they tried to order them.

the distribution for this game makes absolutely no sense to me at all.