3 hours ago, markcsoul said:

Mining Guild TIE

Gen Con "Search for Events." scroll down to "Titles starting with X."

X-wing 1st Edition , X-wing Modified Edition ?

Am I missing something or is this something new?

I'd... actually LOVE for Emon to be also for the Rebels... OKAY! So, how's this for a theme: PC games! What? They already have Emon from X-Wing Alliance and they tapped Star Wars Galaxies for the TIE Aggressor and Decimator (wait, did that originate somewhere else first??)

Rebel/Scum: YT-2000 - Bring in the rest of the Azzameen family as pilots. Brings Emon over for the Rebels in his Firespray. YT-1300 pilots and 2000 are dual faction with new titles for the YT-1300. No default illicit slot (but does come with Smuggler's Compartment)

Imperial: Escort Shuttle. Yeeeah, that's right, the Lambda's angrier brother. I am no where near clever enough to figure out how to make the base, vanilla version of this ship much different from the Lambda, BUT grant it a free modification to activate that rear gun on the Lambda. Oh, Escort Shuttle has no stop maneuver.

Imperial: TIE Avenger! Vader flew one of these in the games, so he gets to be brought back!

Imperial: Assault Gunboat... see the thread... just... seriously... SEE THAT THREAD.

Scum: Cloakshape fighter

Rebel: T-Wing... this thing... I HATED everything about this thing when it showed up in TIE Fighter... However, I could see this as a weaker, faster Z-95. 2 red dice, 1 shield, 2 hull.

8 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Because everyone knows Mandalorians get bigger every time they're in a battle.

It wears off quickly afterwards though.

39 minutes ago, gabe69velasquez said:

Gen Con "Search for Events." scroll down to "Titles starting with X."

X-wing 1st Edition , X-wing Modified Edition ?

Am I missing something or is this something new?

Just sounds like they have some Houserules for this tournament....

5 hours ago, markcsoul said:

FFG often has a "theme" for each wave.

Maybe wave 12's theme could be ships for all 3 factions.

Mining Guild TIE for scum so everyone has a TIE.

Then V-wing for all 3 factions. Maybe comes in a two pack with alternate paint schemes and room for all the cards and cardboard.

Then either another ship for all 3 factions OR a ship used by 1-2 factions currently now available for the remaining.

Like a rebel and scum lambda. Or a rebel firespray.

I had the same idea. My idea was the V-Wing, The Gauntlet Fighter, and on @VanderLegion 's suggestion, the Ark Angel.

2 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

Gen Con "Search for Events." scroll down to "Titles starting with X."

X-wing 1st Edition , X-wing Modified Edition ?

Am I missing something or is this something new?

This could get interesting...

When is GenCon again?

Edit: It could just be a way to say homebrew rules vs standard tournament rules.

I read the detailed description of the event, and honestly, it just seems like someone is not sure how to fill out a form.

But then you have this:

Any of the following:

New A-wing (more pilots, yay!)

Resistance Transport

TIE Silencer

SS-54 Assault Ship: Sugi's "Halo"

HH-87 Starhopper

N-1 Starfighter

T-85 X-wing

(Gunboat)

Not part of the waves but Repaints are probably planned (guessing on color schemes):

Partisan and/or Blue T-65's

Green/Red Squadron Y-wings

Blue/Gold E-wings

I want an n-1 so bad I don't know why...

The prequls sucked, but they did have some pretty ships.

31 minutes ago, Icelom said:

I want an n-1 so bad I don't know why...

The prequls sucked, but they did have some pretty ships.

Leia flew one in her comic. We get an N-1, we most likely get her as a pilot. That's a win-win in my book.

19 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

I'll look for a Ghost ortho... I don't own one though, do you know the scale/length??

that graphic is misleading... makes the gauntlet look close to the falcon, even though its 4 times the size. the Gauntlet would overlap 4 large bases pressed together the way a Decimator overlaps one large base. thats how friggin huge it is. it would be 6.5 inches long by 6 inches wide, on a 3 x 3 game mat thats absurd

My last lot of wave twelve predictions were based on the assumption that there would be five ships in wave 11, and that it would take much longer to come out than it did. Given what actually happened, there's grounds to adjust them slightly.

I'm trying to remember the build up for previous movies - if I recall correctly (and I may not) images of the various movie ships had leaked out, including official releases, in advance of Force Friday, but wave 10 didn't include the U wing or TIE Striker at its initial announcement. That implies, but does not guarantee, that the TIE Silencer will not be part of the initial announcement, but will rather either be announced or surprise released for Force Friday.

If so, here's my prediction, on the assumption that they announce at Gen Con:

Rebels: N1 Starfighter. The ARC broke the seal on prequel ships for the rebels, and frankly there just aren't that many options at this point. Even from the old EU, all that's missing that's even marginally recognisable is the R-41, Cloakshape (more of a scum ship) and T Wing, none of which are likely to drive significant sales by way of nostalgia. The N1, however, might trigger that response in a decent sized cohort of the gaming community - after all TPM was out around 18 years ago now. Ig you were nine or ten when it came out, you're smack bang in the middle of FFGs prime demographic these days.

Imperials: Krennic's Delta classT3-c shuttle. This it the TIE Reaper seem the most probable inclusions, and the Delta class was much more prominent in the marketing, so Lucasfilm were probably more willing to provide FFG with the details they needed to make a ship (even the name of the TIE Reaper was kept quiet, whereas FFG would probably be perfectly happy releasing a "Krennic's Shuttle" expansion). Plus, the imperials need more named crew, and there's no other ship that could bring a Director Krennic crew card into the game. There were no large base ships at all released in the last wave, so it feels like there's room for one now.

Scum: I have no clue. I'd like to see the cloakshape or Preybird, but I don't think either is likely. If I were guessing, I'd say they'll go back to Galaxies and pull something, but Ik own thing about Galaxies, so they all seem as likely as each other. There's also a small possibility of a Skipray Blastboat (possibly Scum/Empire the way the Scurrg was Scum/Rebel) but as cool as that would be, it feels like if they were going to do it, they would have done it before some of the obscure stuff they've done to date.

Post Force Friday, I think it's simpler to predict: The TIE Silencer will almost definitely be added for the Imps/FO, and for the Rebels, the Resistance bomber makes more sense than the Resistance A Wing, if only because the A-Wing and N1 would fill more or less the same niche.

All that said, I could be way off - given that Disney have released extremely good pictures of the TIE Silencer, there may be no reason to hold off on it until post Force Friday, in which case it almost certainly bumps Krennic's shuttle in the priority list. Same goes for the Resistance A Wing over the N1. That would mean the missing SKUs would probably be epics or aces packs or something like that., which is certainly very possible - the U Wing, X Wing and Y Wing all have a strong case for a Rogue One pack, and Scum need a second epic. I'm just not sure that Disney plans quite that far ahead - FFG would have needed to be designing these things 12-18 months ago, and, knowing their announcement plan would be Gen Con, it likely made more sense to just add any movie ships a few weeks later rather than risk their not being able to announce what they initially planned.

49 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

20 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

I'll look for a Ghost ortho... I don't own one though, do you know the scale/length??

that graphic is misleading... makes the gauntlet look close to the falcon, even though its 4 times the size. the Gauntlet would overlap 4 large bases pressed together the way a Decimator overlaps one large base. thats how friggin huge it is. it would be 6.5 inches long by 6 inches wide, on a 3 x 3 game mat thats absurd

Just because you don't understand the scales and the format of the image doesn't make it misleading.

It's a very accurate image that shows very clearly that the GR75 scale (1:390) is the wrong scale for the Gauntlet.

This other image shows them in the same scale, and that your 4x ratio is incorrect, 2.5x maybe:

2 hours ago, kris40k said:

I read the detailed description of the event, and honestly, it just seems like someone is not sure how to fill out a form.

...

But then you have this:

2 hours ago, kris40k said:

Tournament:

No, this is not a tournament.

So, I wouldn't get too excited about the "modified edition" line.

I take the "1st Edition" to mean that TFA damage deck is not allowed, ... unless 2nd Edition is something else,

and then I would be interested in what that is.

51 minutes ago, gabe69velasquez said:

Just because you don't understand the scales and the format of the image doesn't make it misleading.

It's a very accurate image that shows very clearly that the GR75 scale (1:390) is the wrong scale for the Gauntlet.

This other image shows them in the same scale, and that your 4x ratio is incorrect, 2.5x maybe:

I take the "1st Edition" to mean that TFA damage deck is not allowed, ... unless 2nd Edition is something else,

and then I would be interested in what that is.

I understand numbers dude, the graphical depiction isnt a fair representation. look at the bridge in the gr-75 that houses 4-6 crew and a lift... then look at the falcons cockpit. your scale in the graphics is off. even tripling the bridge towers size its still too small. using your 1/270 comparison the Falcons silhouette is only slightly larger than one wing of the Gauntlet, so maybe put two falcons next to eachother with a yt2400 in front and youve got a reasonable aproximation of what maul would be flying around. its really, really big

1 hour ago, Vontoothskie said:

I understand numbers dude, the graphical depiction isnt a fair representation. look at the bridge in the gr-75 that houses 4-6 crew and a lift... then look at the falcon s cockpit. your scale in the graphics is off. even tripling the bridge towers size its still too small. using your 1/270 comparison the Falcon s silhouette is only slightly larger than one wing of the Gauntlet, so maybe put two falcon s next to eachother with a yt2400 in front and youve got a reasonable aproximation of what maul would be flying around. its really, really big

• GR75 Medium Transport - 90 meters, in 390 scale is 23 cm.

• Kom'rk-class fighter - 52.3 meters...

• Millennium Falcon - 34.75 meters, in 270 scale is 12.8 cm.

I suspect you haven't check their length in pixels and compared the ratios of the canon measurements. Since they are canon measurements in pixel ratio they aren't graphically wrong, you're saying the canon measurements are wrong, which I don't care if they are, but their canon (What FFG used!) which makes you wrong.

If you mean to say the canon size of the GR75 Medium Transport's bridge is too small, everybody who cares already knows that, you have to complain to Lucasfilms or Disney , that's the size they designed them and the size they consider canon. Have you compared the GR75 & Falcon miniatures lately; no you haven't or you wouldn't even be going there. If you are saying the GR75 shouldn't be less than double the length of the Falcon, then your complaint is with FFG, they created a new scale just for the GR75.

Take a look at the cockpit of the Falcon and the bridge of the GR75, you think reality is wrong hey? LOL

I'm still entirely certain you don't understand that they are comparisons of different scales and therefore not wrong. The point of an image where the Kom is in 1:390 scale and the Falcon is in 1:270 scale is to show that they Kom doesn't belong in any Epic scale. As I said your 4x area size ratio is wrong, and you've since changed your estimate to ~2.5x area size ratio as I suggested. But that is only a good estimate in the same scale, 1:270. If you could prove I was wrong with math of your own to counter the math I've used then what you write might be worth reading, but as it is you have no more than a 14 point reputation over a whole year of being a member, and so I think your just getting off on trolling people who can do comparisons like the one I did.

I'm kind of hoping for a platform that can make Hux work - probably the TIE reaper, so it can use TIE Mk2 to get useful greens, ideally on a small base.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'm kind of hoping for a platform that can make Hux work - probably the TIE reaper, so it can use TIE Mk2 to get useful greens, ideally on a small base.

On 3/16/2017 at 4:15 AM, thespaceinvader said:

I'd probably go for something like 3/2/5/2 (assuming it has shields in canon, else 3/2/8/0, 1 crew slot, and a TIE Reaper or TIE Striker Only title that adds another crew slot and at least one bomb slot, allowing the Striker to take a title instead of Ailerons that gives it its canon crew capacity and bomb slot. I'd call it Orbital Operations or something.

Cost would be somewhere around 20 with a good dial, and the title costing at least another 1.

Gives Imps something to cart Hux around in that can actually contribute, or a different crew bus, and gives the Striker some more capabilities and design space.

So you think the TIE Reaper would need help with green maneuvers to get rid of stress from General Hux's action.

But on a small base don't you think it would be better than either the Lambda or the Upsilon shuttles already?

Lambda Dial: Upsilon Dial:

• "Around 34 years later, in 34 ABY, a criminal organization called the Ranc gang had TIE Reapers under their command on the planet Kaddak."
Potential for a few Scum pilot cards...

That would depend entirely on the dial. Putting it on a small base is kind of a toss-up because it gets a lot easier to manoeuvre, but it loses a lot of board coverage for Hux (and Systems Officer, assuming it has the slots).

I'd maybe hope for a Y wing style dial - 1 white turn, 1 red turn, no green banks, 1 red bank, and a solid primary weapon, then it can take TIE Mk2 if it wants, but it means it's not taking LWF - then you can use it as a capable if stress-vulnerable gunship (loaded with Op Spec Gunner, say), bomber etc, or you can put Mk2 on it and take Hux, Systems Officer, Fleet Officer etc.

You make it cheap by losing the system slot and the stop.

E: the real trouble with Hux at the moment is that he's a good card without a good platform to go on, because the Empire hasn't got a single ship with crew slots which is also decently manoeuvrable AND not vulnerable to stress. Firespray: not good. Lambda: horrible dial, can only clear stress with 4 moves, so very predictable and easy to block. Upsilon: again, only 4 stress clearing moves so easy to block,. Better dial, and more easily able to turn into the fight, but if it's turning, it's not clearing stress, so it's skipping Hux for a round, and it really wants to be using Co-Ordinate anyway, which makes Hux a lot less valuable to it. Phantom: lol if you're stressing a Phantom. Decimator is the most obvious one, but what do you give up for him, and what do you run WITH it that makes it worth using him and not Fleet Officer for 2 less points.

On 8/3/2017 at 4:09 AM, thespaceinvader said:

That would depend entirely on the dial. Putting it on a small base is kind of a toss-up because it gets a lot easier to manoeuvre, but it loses a lot of board coverage for Hux (and Systems Officer, assuming it has the slots).

I'd maybe hope for a Y wing style dial - 1 white turn, 1 red turn, no green banks, 1 red bank, and a solid primary weapon, then it can take TIE Mk2 if it wants, but it means it's not taking LWF - then you can use it as a capable if stress-vulnerable gunship (loaded with Op Spec Gunner, say), bomber etc, or you can put Mk2 on it and take Hux, Systems Officer, Fleet Officer etc.

You make it cheap by losing the system slot and the stop.

BTW, by making his shapeways miniature 7.8 cm in "depth" at 270 scale Alberto (aka Sanfi/Melminiatures) is suggesting that the ship is 21.06 meters long (21.06 m / 270 = 7.8 cm).

First time I used the width by accident, which is 5.3 cm. He's calling the length "depth" so I have to redo the calculations with 7.8 cm which makes more sense than 14.31 meters.

9 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:

This could get interesting...

When is GenCon again?

Edit: It could just be a way to say homebrew rules vs standard tournament rules.

Not all the X-Wing events at GenCon are being organised/run by FFG themselves.

14 minutes ago, gabe69velasquez said:

BTW, by making his shapeways miniature 5.3 cm, at 270 scale Alberto (aka Sanfi/Melminiatures) is suggesting that the ship is 14.31 meters long (14.31 m / 270 = 5.3 cm).

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4355/35511943004_6c04601a99_o.png

That can't be right because the canon length of the TIE Striker is 17.18 meters and in all the photos the TIE Reaper looks slightly bigger. It could just be that it's just slightly closer in those images:

I'd expect it to come out a bit longer and a bit wider than a Striker, maybe a little smaller than an Aggressor. It could really go either way.

Rebels... X-83?

Yeah, hard to tell what could be there. I see why they had to go with the Auzzie gun ship truck.

Scum: Cloakshape (still liking this one)

Empire: GUNBOAT! (well, duh)

That would be cool and all... but...

... what if FFG finally made an OFFICIAL Nebulan Expansion?

Imagine if they made it usable for REBELS & EMPIRE!

Imagine that fake-***-rock-company of thieves who sold their Nebs made an impression on FFG?

What if The BIG THING that WE WILL NOT BELIEVE they have done... that is due at the end of this years tuns out to be a dam NEB-U-LAN-BEEeee...

AND it comes with all new paper for REBEL & IMPERIAL PILOTS with ESCORT & HUGE Ship GUARDIAN & ATTACKER Rules!!!

Imagine... and it would only cost $200 bucks say.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'd expect it to come out a bit longer and a bit wider than a Striker, maybe a little smaller than an Aggressor. It could really go either way.

That would be fun to have in the game too!