Also, assuming that Ovi is being truthful, because thats a good crumbin', we know they have a roleblocker.

4 minutes ago, Visovics said:

You were kinda joking for the rest of the post,so I overlooked it

That was the idea but I thought Orlan was not enough so I added Lothal that I thought were too much.

I didn't hear about Onidsen and CNinja yet so u am not going to throw the towel yet.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

That was the idea but I thought Orlan was not enough so I added Lothal that I thought were too much.

I didn't hear from Onidsen and CNinja yet so u am not going to throw the towel yet.

8 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

If I understand what you are saying, I don't see that anyone caught it. But I may be misunderstand your post. I personally need to investigate more because we aren't going to win this by lying down.

I guess you didn't see this?

27 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

@Madaghmire , @Onidsen and @CaribbeanNinja must be brought to the main line.

I was reticent to talk about it as soon as the day started. I wanted more info. But now it is the time cause we arrive to a cul-de-sac.

I am cop. It has not sense to keep it hide more time cause even if those I think already read my claim did not, the bad guys did and acted accordingly last night. I was blocked. I will die or, probably, will be blocked again.

My thoughts:

Everyone could read my claim. They just needed to check lothal mafia game. However, at least 3 (pointed above) had it easier cause they played it.

I have my idea about it but I want to hear all you:

Who read my claim? Who tried to tell me? What do you think about the suspects mentioned above?

you dork.

4 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I guess you didn't see this?

you dork.

Oh that lying down bit is cute.

27 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Does "The Establishment" not show up for you? What is your flavour text?

Yes it does, I'm working really hard to eliminate all of the threats to it @Visovics !

5 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I guess you didn't see this?

I saw it. I waited for the other two cause time-zone reasons. Then moodswing claimed and I think it was time be less discrete.

However I am not sure if:

- you noticed before that post.

- you noticed after that post.

- you never ever noticed until now.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

I saw it. I waited for the other two cause time-zone reasons. Then moodswing claimed and I think it was time be less discrete.

However I am not sure if:

- you noticed before that post.

- you noticed after that post.

- you never ever noticed until now.

I noticed after, but I'm not sure how I can prove that.

Just now, CaribbeanNinja said:

Yes it does, I'm working really hard to eliminate all of the threats to it @Visovics !

looks clear to me, sorry for the over extended pressure, needed to take things to the bottom. I have two suspects on my list now, Oni and Norell.

Also, what I take from that is CNinja caught the claim. But how to interpret?

Did he catch it and wait patiently for a cue from Ovi, knowing he was cop?

Did he catch it and block/have a teammate block Ovi? If so, why point out he caught it now? It both draws and alleviates suspicion.

I'm inclined to trust.

Gink's post is what worries me.

Just now, Madaghmire said:

Also, what I take from that is CNinja caught the claim. But how to interpret?

Did he catch it and wait patiently for a cue from Ovi, knowing he was cop?

Did he catch it and block/have a teammate block Ovi? If so, why point out he caught it now? It both draws and alleviates suspicion.

I'm inclined to trust.

This is exactly what I meant by not being able to prove it. I'm not sure why Ovi would put such a huge claim in on the first day. When I read it I totally thought is was a joke, until he mentioned a "claim" today.

Okay, back at where we were before

##Vote Norell

D1 there was a division between lynching you or Truth. Truth is now dead. All others (except you Oni ) read totally town to me. So one of the two must be mafia, if not both, so why not try? We lynch you, Ovi goes after Oni, and we can know if he is town or mafia, if Ovi is blocked, we lynch Oni. Sounds like a reasonable plan to me, anybody else agrees?

6 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Okay, back at where we were before

##Vote Norell

D1 there was a division between lynching you or Truth. Truth is now dead. All others (except you Oni ) read totally town to me. So one of the two must be mafia, if not both, so why not try? We lynch you, Ovi goes after Oni, and we can know if he is town or mafia, if Ovi is blocked, we lynch Oni. Sounds like a reasonable plan to me, anybody else agrees?

Maybe we dont tell folks we are gonna lynch oni if ovi is blocked. If he is town, then mafia reads this like "oh hai"

Its like that line in storks from the key and peele wolves;

"we'll make a deal, you give us tiny thing then we'll eat you anyway!"

"No you idiot! First you make the deal then you eat them anyway!"

"Oh. We wont eat you anyway!"

"Its too late now!"

Or, since we are playing mafia;

"Never let anyone outside the family know what you're thinking!"

1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

Maybe we dont tell folks we are gonna lynch oni if ovi is blocked. If he is town, then mafia reads this like "oh hai"

Actually, I have a backup plan for night if he is town, and it needed me to post what I did

14 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Okay, back at where we were before

##Vote Norell

D1 there was a division between lynching you or Truth. Truth is now dead. All others (except you Oni ) read totally town to me. So one of the two must be mafia, if not both, so why not try? We lynch you, Ovi goes after Oni, and we can know if he is town or mafia, if Ovi is blocked, we lynch Oni. Sounds like a reasonable plan to me, anybody else agrees?

I'm okay with this plan, but:

13 hours ago, Norell said:

I'm still thinking about what Ginkapo said. What if there arw no power roles on the townie side and therefor nobody can claim other than being town? After re-reading everything I also started to have a feeling that there should be 3 mafia not 2. A very simple setup but no power roles on either side (why woild the mafia need one if there are only townies?) would mean the mafia need an extra man.

That being said I am willing to trust Vis and Wig at this point. They both used the word "loyalist", a word that wasn't in the description of the game but was in the character descriptions.

I may be able to trust Mad as well.

If all my reasonings are right (a big IF) three of the remaining four would be mafia. It would be hilarious if Ovin would be one of them again. He's also trying to defend CNinja which may suggest yet another mafia. But at the moment I'm much more suspicious about Moodswing than anyone else. zhe day is still young though.

It sure sounds like he's lost on Ovin's role.

3 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Actually, I have a backup plan for night if he is town, and it needed me to post what I did

Oh my god stop saying stuff!

2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Oh my god stop saying stuff!

Everything I'm saying has a reason! Trust me mad!

Just now, Visovics said:

Everything I'm saying has a reason! Trust me mad!

I want to vis, but I've been hurt before...

Just now, Madaghmire said:

I want to vis, but I've been hurt before...

Then I shall heal thee from such nasty things, the rebellion will be over! (if everything works obviously)

Interesting. I agree with this plan in principle - the problem is that I'd expect ovi to be roleblocked no matter what alignment I am. In the hypothetical where I was evil, ovi would be blocked from finding one of their own. Since I'm town, they'll block anyways because they don't want to narrow down the space where they could be hiding. And they can always hope for a lynch on me after.

Since I'm town, I'm ok with getting lynched if it gets us closer to finding a scum. But we're waaay too close to LyLo.

Another point I'd like to bring up is this:

Can we trust Ovi? He hasn't brought forward any verifiable results. All we have is a role claim. Even then, I've played setups with scum cops before. That said, I'm all in favor of more scrutiny being brought towards Mad, CNinja, and I.

15 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Interesting. I agree with this plan in principle - the problem is that I'd expect ovi to be roleblocked no matter what alignment I am. In the hypothetical where I was evil, ovi would be blocked from finding one of their own. Since I'm town, they'll block anyways because they don't want to narrow down the space where they could be hiding. And they can always hope for a lynch on me after.

Since I'm town, I'm ok with getting lynched if it gets us closer to finding a scum. But we're waaay too close to LyLo.

Another point I'd like to bring up is this:

Can we trust Ovi? He hasn't brought forward any verifiable results. All we have is a role claim. Even then, I've played setups with scum cops before. That said, I'm all in favor of more scrutiny being brought towards Mad, CNinja, and I.

Another who didn't notice?

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Another who didn't notice?

Part of what hes saying is that we have no proof you are what you claim you are.

I'm a cop and I was roleblocked is impossible to verify, and while crumbing early lends validity to it, it doesn't prove it.

13 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Part of what hes saying is that we have no proof you are what you claim you are.

I'm a cop and I was roleblocked is impossible to verify, and while crumbing early lends validity to it, it doesn't prove it.

But cop is basically a key role in mafia, from what I got, most standard games have one, and no one counter-claiming means:

1-no cop

2-he is cop