I think Norell's flip clear more things but we need something before it ends.

## vote Onidsen

Onidsen+Norell is one of the several permutations I see possible. So let's see.

My play has been outright awful this game. Apologies for that. I've been posting mostly stream-of-consciousness, which means I make mistakes in logic. When I see them later, I correct them. Means that I change opinions a bit.

Hopefully you can use my lynch to find the scum. I'd look long and hard at CNinja.

I'm going to try and avoid voting on myself - it's a decent play if it can convince people you're town. And two games ago I got frustrated enough that I did it just to get things over with. Not going to happen again.

But if we don't have a hammer by about 10 minutes before time, I'm going to hammer myself because we need a lynch more than we need a vanilla townie alive. So vote all of you players, you!

Ok. So. Two hours left, and we are disastrously close to going two days without a hammer.

Picking up from where I was last night;

I've gone back through Visovics posts. Aside from Operation: Clusterfu*k, he still reads town in all of his posts where he isn't presenting a terrible wheels within wheels plan. So I am going to continue to follow my initial read and instincts with him.

Cninja- lack of voting history in day one is suspect. You did catch Ovi's claim, but I still can't decide if thats a mark in your favor or not. Ovi liked it, I guess. But he did also get roleblocked, and at this point is probably not going to be able to get us anything actionable. You put a pretty well reasoned vote in on Oni today though, and in past games you've been a tremendously perceptive scum hunter.

wigT- I'm not sure whats missing from Moodswings claim. It checked my boxes?

Ovi- I believe the claim, personally. And he just put Oni at L-1 while I was writing this. This gives me two people voting Oni that I feel very good about being town, plus cninja, who if town I feel great about following.

leaves me with moodswing- Your claim checks all the boxes, although I'm not sure how much stock we should put in claims. But I dont think I can get you swinging by days end, and the Norell/Oni pair might have something.

So that leaves me with Oni- He still reads town to me. But hes also at L-1, and we have two hours left. So I'm trying to decide if its worth possibly killing a good town player to explore the Oni/Norell connection. Do we even learn anything if he flips town? That doesnt clear norell, ffs he voted norell. It just means the two of them weren't mafia. And if he flips mafia, it doesnt automatically mean norell is the other. But there are enough inconsistencies in his play, and the post that just went up (again while I write) I read as him either giving his blessing so we can garner info or as a last play to try and live.

So either way.

##cross fingers

##vote onidsen

@GhostofNobodyInParticular

22 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Ok. So. Two hours left, and we are disastrously close to going two days without a hammer.

Picking up from where I was last night;

I've gone back through Visovics posts. Aside from Operation: Clusterfu*k, he still reads town in all of his posts where he isn't presenting a terrible wheels within wheels plan. So I am going to continue to follow my initial read and instincts with him.

Cninja- lack of voting history in day one is suspect. You did catch Ovi's claim, but I still can't decide if thats a mark in your favor or not. Ovi liked it, I guess. But he did also get roleblocked, and at this point is probably not going to be able to get us anything actionable. You put a pretty well reasoned vote in on Oni today though, and in past games you've been a tremendously perceptive scum hunter.

wigT- I'm not sure whats missing from Moodswings claim. It checked my boxes?

Ovi- I believe the claim, personally. And he just put Oni at L-1 while I was writing this. This gives me two people voting Oni that I feel very good about being town, plus cninja, who if town I feel great about following.

leaves me with moodswing- Your claim checks all the boxes, although I'm not sure how much stock we should put in claims. But I dont think I can get you swinging by days end, and the Norell/Oni pair might have something.

So that leaves me with Oni- He still reads town to me. But hes also at L-1, and we have two hours left. So I'm trying to decide if its worth possibly killing a good town player to explore the Oni/Norell connection. Do we even learn anything if he flips town? That doesnt clear norell, ffs he voted norell. It just means the two of them weren't mafia. And if he flips mafia, it doesnt automatically mean norell is the other. But there are enough inconsistencies in his play, and the post that just went up (again while I write) I read as him either giving his blessing so we can garner info or as a last play to try and live.

So either way.

##cross fingers

##vote onidsen

Say again? I'm not following your thoughts about me.

Just now, Admiral WigT said:

Say again? I'm not following your thoughts about me.

Stop posting hammer is down.

39 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

I'm going to hammer myself because we need a lynch more than we need a vanilla townie alive. So vote all of you players, you!

You're not allowed to hammer yourself, or vote for yourself at all. If I didn't mention it in the initial post, I'm saying it here.

Hammer

"Hey, here's a novel idea, let's not kill the guy we almost lynched last time."
"Sure, ok! Let's kill. . . . you !"
"Wait, what, kill him !"
"No no no, kill him !"
The is a PSA: We're going off duty soon!
"Oh forget it, get the tailor!"
"Wha-" "Yay!"

Peabody Clothers ( @Onidsen - Vanilla Town) the town's most prominent (and secretly hated) pacifistic tailor, having killed more personal standards and formal dinner suits than traitorous scum, finally pulled the short straw when he criticized and attacked fellow citizens who just happened (coincidentally mind) to favor a rival tailor. Outraged by his biased voting and the cut of his suit, the town agreed to lynch him just before the Town Council secretary managed to lock the door to her office.

It is now NIGHT. No posting during the dark hours. NIGHT shall last 24 hours or until all night actions are in.

Wailing is heard once more, merely an hour after the town went to bed. . . again .

More furious over the lack of sleep than the potential death of one of their own, the irate town-members gather around the screaming janitor for the local cells. He has discovered the body of the cop!

Guy Lazyeye ( @ovinomanc3r - Cop) is found dead - his neck was slashed open! His body lies over a collapsed stack of profiles, his blood staining the papers of one citizen. Alas! His blood obscures the results of his investigation.

Fed up with insomnia, the town once again gathers to root out the killers. . .

It is now Day 3

48 hours remain, 4 to hammer

Ok, now this has to be a lynch win or lose situation. We need extreme carefulness

Also good news, there are only 2

Okay guys so things have gone to ****. First, let me let you off the hook if you suspect me. Its cool.

I think we have to look at the votes against Onidsen: (5) Visovics, CaribbeanNinja, moodswing5537, ovinomanc3r, Madaghmire

Me: Looks very bad. The rebels have been really good at doing **** that makes us look really bad. All I'll say is remember the dead. Both Truth and Ovi believed me, (Onidsen didn't, and again I don't blame you for siding with him. But I will tell you right now he is saying "aw **** CNinja really was town.)

Ovinomanc3r: dead. Dammit he really was a cop. WTF was he thinking . He'd still be alive IMHO if he had kept his mouth shut. Maybe the only player that has played worse than me ( Sorry Ovi, you were an ace Ninja but a poodoo Cop. I still love you though.)

Now is where it really starts to get interesting...

@moodswing5537 : sparked the lynching in the end. He has been all over the place. It is likely that he is a rebel just because of the erratic behavior, but I'm not 100% certain.

@Visovics : Has been getting us all to claim, but as Onidsen pointed out, the rebels may know something that negates the claims. I think if he is a rebel, he gets an award. Pretty sure he's been in on both votes.

@Madaghmire : I don't know, his explanation on why he voted was a little off IMO. Because of my nose? I have played like bantha poodoo this game. I have little sense here. My Force powers are totally off.

I'm sorry that I have let the establishment down.

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I think if he is a rebel, he gets an award.

it's depressing how much I want to be now just for the award.

On the same note, I assumed flavour had a large impact on characters, as Slippy is eager to elaborate in a story, and I believe the flavours join in to make the characters more realistic. EVERYTHING has a flavour story, me being roleblocked was communicated to me that my secretary fell asleep, pretty inventive tbh.

Ok so Mad was reading the thread for about 5 minutes after the day rise but now left, on the other hand, I'm sure of Norell's vanillism.

I'm still ruling out WigT and Visovics as possible scum. That leaves only Cninja, Mood and Mad. Modswing is still my top candidate. All the other stories were much more elaborate than his, and he's acting very nervous.

Also notice that day 3 followed 30 minutes after the night which indicates that the mafia were active in a very short period of time. Just check who were active on the forum then and we'll have the candidates fr the one that made the kill. Note that there is another, who may remain hidden.

Okay so I'm an idiot - how do y'all see who is on? I know the old forum had the usernames at the bottom, but I don't see it.

Didnt have time to post before lunch beyond something like "hey we ****** up"

3 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Okay so I'm an idiot - how do y'all see who is on? I know the old forum had the usernames at the bottom, but I don't see it.

if you click on someone you can see the profile, but simplest way it to hover the mouse over a mentioned name, it shows last time logged on anc if on, the currently viewing. When the day started Norell had been out for the last 5 hours

My posts will be infrequent until I leave work in 4 hours, but I'll try to keep up.

33 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

@moodswing5537 : sparked the lynching in the end. He has been all over the place. It is likely that he is a rebel just because of the erratic behavior, but I'm not 100% certain.

@Visovics : Has been getting us all to claim, but as Onidsen pointed out, the rebels may know something that negates the claims. I think if he is a rebel, he gets an award. Pretty sure he's been in on both votes.

@Madaghmire : I don't know, his explanation on why he voted was a little off IMO. Because of my nose? I have played like bantha poodoo this game. I have little sense here. My Force powers are totally off.

I'm sorry that I have let the establishment down.

I don't know about "sparked", but I did make a read about two players whose actions lined up in a very suspicious way. Unfortunately, that was an incorrect read on Oni.

I've kept an eye on Mad's posts, and he seems to throw out useful info at times, but there is a lot of deflection there when questioned. CNinja is the same, so I am reading this as town.

I looked at Vis's vote history on day 2. He started on me, then flipped to Norell, then changed to Oni after my post. He's all over the place, and honestly, I'm not sure what his Inspector Clouseau-like plan is but it ain't working. It looks more like anarchy. Not sure if that is to throw off a scent or if it's a brilliantly rebel plan. I'm beginning to think the latter, because he could have started to bus Norell and then saw low hanging fruit in Oni.

WigT is not posting enough for me to get a read, which can be labeled as sketchy. I have him in a neutral favor right now.

And apparently am still the ONLY one on Norell's list. And the nerves are from constantly having to defend myself from him. I mean, really, it's been from the beginning! I posted what's in my claim. I didn't write it. Blame slippy for running out of original flavor, I don't know. It just seems like you picked me and have to stay with it or you look non-committal.

And guys, I appreciate trying to get around the "game" by looking at whose on when in the forums, but I should point out a couple of things. We've already had one person say they leave a tab open on their mobile and I do the same thing while sitting at my desk here at work. I get a notification when a post comes up. So I don't think that's as good an indicator of whose doing what.

So, in short, my two suspects are currently @Norell and @Visovics .

7 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:

I don't know about "sparked", but I did make a read about two players whose actions lined up in a very suspicious way. Unfortunately, that was an incorrect read on Oni.

I've kept an eye on Mad's posts, and he seems to throw out useful info at times, but there is a lot of deflection there when questioned. CNinja is the same, so I am reading this as town.

I looked at Vis's vote history on day 2. He started on me, then flipped to Norell, then changed to Oni after my post. He's all over the place, and honestly, I'm not sure what his Inspector Clouseau-like plan is but it ain't working. It looks more like anarchy. Not sure if that is to throw off a scent or if it's a brilliantly rebel plan. I'm beginning to think the latter, because he could have started to bus Norell and then saw low hanging fruit in Oni.

WigT is not posting enough for me to get a read, which can be labeled as sketchy. I have him in a neutral favor right now.

And apparently am still the ONLY one on Norell's list. And the nerves are from constantly having to defend myself from him. I mean, really, it's been from the beginning! I posted what's in my claim. I didn't write it. Blame slippy for running out of original flavor, I don't know. It just seems like you picked me and have to stay with it or you look non-committal.

And guys, I appreciate trying to get around the "game" by looking at whose on when in the forums, but I should point out a couple of things. We've already had one person say they leave a tab open on their mobile and I do the same thing while sitting at my desk here at work. I get a notification when a post comes up. So I don't think that's as good an indicator of whose doing what.

So, in short, my two suspects are currently @Norell and @Visovics .

Well, I know I am town, and so unless Norell left ALL the job for his mafia friend to do, he hasn't logged on. Maybe the person being on is not a good indicator, but not being on is a good indicator.

25 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Okay guys so things have gone to ****. First, let me let you off the hook if you suspect me. Its cool.

I think we have to look at the votes against Onidsen: (5) Visovics, CaribbeanNinja, moodswing5537, ovinomanc3r, Madaghmire

Me: Looks very bad. The rebels have been really good at doing **** that makes us look really bad. All I'll say is remember the dead. Both Truth and Ovi believed me, (Onidsen didn't, and again I don't blame you for siding with him. But I will tell you right now he is saying "aw **** CNinja really was town.)

Ovinomanc3r: dead. Dammit he really was a cop. WTF was he thinking . He'd still be alive IMHO if he had kept his mouth shut. Maybe the only player that has played worse than me ( Sorry Ovi, you were an ace Ninja but a poodoo Cop. I still love you though.)

Now is where it really starts to get interesting...

@moodswing5537 : sparked the lynching in the end. He has been all over the place. It is likely that he is a rebel just because of the erratic behavior, but I'm not 100% certain.

@Visovics : Has been getting us all to claim, but as Onidsen pointed out, the rebels may know something that negates the claims. I think if he is a rebel, he gets an award. Pretty sure he's been in on both votes.

@Madaghmire : I don't know, his explanation on why he voted was a little off IMO. Because of my nose? I have played like bantha poodoo this game. I have little sense here. My Force powers are totally off.

I'm sorry that I have let the establishment down.

Actually Ninja, your nose was one of several reasons I decided to hammer.

So first of all, people should be looking at me at this point. If you aren't, regardless of being right, you aren't doing your job as town. That said, I am town, and I've been playing as best I can, and invite the scrutiny.

Now, back to why I hammered;

As I stated at the time, there were two votes in that I felt sure were town (Visovics and Ovinomanc3r). Clearly I was right about the sheep, but I mean...duh.

There were two I was unsure of. Ninja and Moodswing. I said this. Ninja, your ability to catch scum in previous games was accounted, but the fact that you are bringing it up as the sole reason for my vote concerns me, because I pointed out a bunch of others. In fact, in the end it was Oni himself that swayed my choice. When I started my post Oni was at L-3. By the time I was finishing my post, from my POV Oni was basically calling for his own lynching. Or he was trying to alleviate suspicion by falling on the sword. Either way, running against the clock and with no more than a single vote agaisnt anyone else, my decison was more or less made for me. We couldn't go another day without a lynch.

So, what did we learn?

We learned Norell:Onidsen is not a good theory. We can infer, to a degree, that Norell is probably town, although this isn't in itself proof. His voting history is a d2 vote on mood when there was no one else voting moodswing, and d1, he was the sole remaining vote on truthiness, who flipped town. But whatever, day one. He hasn't really contributed much to discussion.

We still havent seen a single vote entered from Admiral WigT. I want to give him benefit of the doubt as new is new, but that is scum behavior. He did call Norell out as town tho, and we can look at the onidsen development as either helping to clear him by association. But if town was leaning towards lynching town, and all you need to do is sit back...why risk a vote?

I continue to believe in Visovics, but dude, that plan. Still there are comments that reinforced my belief in him made in day 2. I'm now a little less sure.

Moodswing has been an enigma, but I think we need to take a good hard look at what he's been about this game. The flavor argument holds little sway with me. I mean, at this point, aside from myself, has anyone else not claimed? And if it mattered all that much, what was gink about with that message? Btw, I'm willing to claim if people want me to, but you know, see what I just said.

His game history tho, well we can look at that. Vote 3 is generally a nice place for a scum vote to slot. He's been sporadic with his posts, but then so has Norell and WigT, and I think his patterns are consistent with last game. Day 1 was wierd and has been discussed already.

At this point, I think WigT is town, because despite what I wrote above, I think its been learning pains for him rather then clever puppet master stuff. If I'm wrong, he deserves to win.

I'm still feeling good about Vis but no longer conclusively so.

Norell should survive today, regardless. Oni flipping town buys him that, I think. If we are both alive in the morning, I'll take a closer look based on whatever happens between then and now, unless he says something to make me think different of course, or someone brings up something I missed.

So by process of elimination, I'm looking most closely at Ninja and Moodswing, with more of an emphasis on Ninja. Second vote is also a nice place to slot a scum vote, Oni very clearly wanted you looked at, and your surprisingly "being lost" is actually inconsistent from you as a player. Of course Ninja, you could just be having a bad game. Convince me.

Mood, you have that wierd day one flip flop, which you backed off early (scum tell). Vote three on a town flipped oni. Sporadic posting and a bad theory re:oni also dont look good. I'll need more from you as well. Starting to wonder if unvoting you based on that claim was a mistake.

Of course, its important to remeber that even if both mafia dropped votes on Oni, that still means at least three town players voted for him. I also wonder if they even would both vote oni, because they would have to know they would be inviting suspicion on both of them while establishing town cred for those who hadnt voted. Something to think about.

16 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Well, I know I am town, and so unless Norell left ALL the job for his mafia friend to do, he hasn't logged on. Maybe the person being on is not a good indicator, but not being on is a good indicator.

No its not. Its a 48 hour cycle and people have lives.