1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

As I said, I'm not a huge fan of the plan he laid out before. Plans your enemy can actively read and watch you enact generally don't work so great.

Do you want to know the best part of the plan? It was a bait for Oni! By proposing we lynch him anyway unless Ovi reads him town, he is in danger. He realizes that if anything happens to Ovi, he'd die if my "plan" went forward, and if he leaves Ovi, he is read as scum, but when I say I got a plan for the night, he is quickly worried to get rid of me still in the day, so I am almost 99% sure Oni is Scummy scum

Do we really think that I was blocked by a lucky mafia scum?

I mean it is possible but my mind is saying "no way!".

I really thought that Madaghmire and Onidsen read my claim. And, actually to say they did would help me to clear them cause I think a scum wouldn't say that knowing I know I was blocked.

But with everyone saying no one read it I am stuck. Or they were lucky, too lucky or someone is lying.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

Or someone is lying.

It's a mafia game, we know someone is lying!

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Do you want to know the best part of the plan? It was a bait for Oni! By proposing we lynch him anyway unless Ovi reads him town, he is in danger. He realizes that if anything happens to Ovi, he'd die if my "plan" went forward, and if he leaves Ovi, he is read as scum, but when I say I got a plan for the night, he is quickly worried to get rid of me still in the day, so I am almost 99% sure Oni is Scummy scum

And of I were blocked again as I was when I was, actually, investigating Onidsen? That's all mafia needed to do: block me.

I didn't understand your plan and I don't now.

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

It's a mafia game, we know someone is lying!

Someone between those three.

On 28/6/2017 at 4:25 PM, Onidsen said:

##unvote

Well this is a mess, but one that can get us some information, hopefully . Not wanting to let the day pass without a lynch, though. If I've read things right, we've got 2 votes on Norell, 2 on Truthiness, and 1 on moodswing.

Of the 3, moodswing is the most suspicious to me, but with only 1 vote, I'm not sure if we can swing a lynch. In that case, I'll go with my second option:

##vote Truthiness

Oh man! How I miss this THAT!! You were talking about A MESS not about someone

I deserve an EPIC FAIL meme my fellow townies. Sorry.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

And of I were blocked again as I was when I was, actually, investigating Onidsen? That's all mafia needed to do: block me.

I didn't understand your plan and I don't now.

So the first openly announced and proposed was a bait.

In it, the obvious factor was that Oni would be investigated. This lead to some possibilities

1-You are roleblocked/killed, in which case we lynch Oni -mafia lose member

2- you are not roleblocked, and get the read on Oni, come as mafia and we lynch or comes town and we carry on.

Now I assumed if he was mafia, he'd be worried, because he dies either way on the next day. But the lack of evidence other than the plan would give him enough for a good defense.

Of course Mad freaks out

I carry on with my actual bait plan, telling him I've got a plan for the night if Norell comes clean town, and me having a plan for night would worry him, so if he was mafia, he'd try to get rid of me by the day, so no worries on night, and it seems that the trap sprung

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Do you want to know the best part of the plan? It was a bait for Oni! By proposing we lynch him anyway unless Ovi reads him town, he is in danger. He realizes that if anything happens to Ovi, he'd die if my "plan" went forward, and if he leaves Ovi, he is read as scum, but when I say I got a plan for the night, he is quickly worried to get rid of me still in the day, so I am almost 99% sure Oni is Scummy scum

Problem with your reasoning. I'm town, and can easily see that whatever plan you have is hobbled by this: there's no way Ovi is not going to be roleblocked. Because the scum know I'm town, and they know that they can get me lynched by blocking ovi if we follow your plan. Literally, you seemed to be proposing a plan that had no benefit to the village but every possible benefit to the scum. You can forgive me for being suspicious of you under those circumstances. I hope you will forgive me for being suspicious of you even now - it seems like you are positioning yourself as a townie with a lynch in order for an easy win next round.

And you do me a disservice to think I could be spooked so easily into gunning for you. That's the worst possible scum play. Paranoid villager play, on the other hand? That I'm guilty of. But paranoia is healthy in this game.

So here we go. Lynch me if you like. But lynch Visovics after me.

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Do we really think that I was blocked by a lucky mafia scum?

I mean it is possible but my mind is saying "no way!".

I really thought that Madaghmire and Onidsen read my claim. And, actually to say they did would help me to clear them cause I think a scum wouldn't say that knowing I know I was blocked.

But with everyone saying no one read it I am stuck. Or they were lucky, too lucky or someone is lying.

I actually really do think that you were blocked by a lucky scum blocker. I didn't pay attention to your breadcrumbs.

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

So the first openly announced and proposed was a bait.

In it, the obvious factor was that Oni would be investigated. This lead to some possibilities

1-You are roleblocked/killed, in which case we lynch Oni -mafia lose member

2- you are not roleblocked, and get the read on Oni, come as mafia and we lynch or comes town and we carry on.

Now I assumed if he was mafia, he'd be worried, because he dies either way on the next day. But the lack of evidence other than the plan would give him enough for a good defense.

Of course Mad freaks out

I carry on with my actual bait plan, telling him I've got a plan for the night if Norell comes clean town, and me having a plan for night would worry him, so if he was mafia, he'd try to get rid of me by the day, so no worries on night, and it seems that the trap sprung

Or 3. Onidsen is townie and the mafia block me to get Onidsen lynched with your awesome plan.

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

So the first openly announced and proposed was a bait.

In it, the obvious factor was that Oni would be investigated. This lead to some possibilities

1-You are roleblocked/killed, in which case we lynch Oni -mafia lose member

2- you are not roleblocked, and get the read on Oni, come as mafia and we lynch or comes town and we carry on.

Now I assumed if he was mafia, he'd be worried, because he dies either way on the next day. But the lack of evidence other than the plan would give him enough for a good defense.

Of course Mad freaks out

I carry on with my actual bait plan, telling him I've got a plan for the night if Norell comes clean town, and me having a plan for night would worry him, so if he was mafia, he'd try to get rid of me by the day, so no worries on night, and it seems that the trap sprung

You also fail to realize that, if I were a mafia player, there would be an easy out. Kill ovi. No results gives us the same set of bad reasoning as if your plan had gone through as originally stated

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Or 3. Onidsen is townie and the mafia block me to get Onidsen lynched with your awesome plan.

But night results may change everything, roleblocking isn't the only thing that happens

Visovic's plan is really bad. Seriously. It only works under the base of Onidsen being mafia. But under that base we should lynch him right now!!

I am having bad time not suspecting about it right now.

Ok, I'm a bad strategist who doesn't realize all possibilities, ignore my stupid attempt at the plan, but I still think Oni is scum, just sayin'

I feel like this entire day has been people sharing stuff the mafia didn't need to know.

2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I feel like this entire day has been people sharing stuff the mafia didn't need to know.

Guilty.

2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I feel like this entire day has been people sharing stuff the mafia didn't need to know.

I may leave the interrogation to other people... my bad sorry...

So @Admiral WigT and @moodswing5537 any thoughts from the peanut gallery? @Norell ?

I'm off to bed, if I get lynched overnight I swear you guys will regret it

12 minutes ago, Visovics said:

I may leave the interrogation to other people... my bad sorry...

No - keep it up, especially if you're town. The best way to figure out good interrogation skills is to fail using bad ones (or to watch somebody use good ones).

This actually gives me a townread. Now to go back and rethink my life. Vote stays where it is while I think, though.

So @Onidsen if there are two...and @Visovics is a rebel, who is his partner?

24 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

So @Admiral WigT and @moodswing5537 any thoughts from the peanut gallery? @Norell ?

I'm also close to a policy vote on these guys...

For my part, I'm generally hard to move off my initial read. Something I learned both taking and teaching for standardized tests, don't second guess yourself too much.

My initial read on Vis said town. But this plan...as Oni and Ovi have laid out, its dangerous to the point of perhaps being a tell. Vis just posted hes going to bed, so I'm going to ruminate on this for a bit. Yes he's backed off now, but I mean...of course he did.

As for Oni, I think he's town. I may reconsider that if we flip Vis and it was just a bad plan. There are some things to look at there tho, and I believe ninja dropped a vote on him. He's pretty spot on when it comes to spotting scum, so i'd like to know if he still likes that vote since he dropped it.

22 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I'm also close to a policy vote on these guys...

Lol no joke.

12 hour day for me today...catching up now.

Jeez. See if I take anymore naps. I wake up to everyone writing novellas....lol. let me sort through these and I'll weigh in....