2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

But cop is basically a key role in mafia, from what I got, most standard games have one, and no one counter-claiming means:

1-no cop

2-he is cop

Fair point.

I mean, I'm pretty sure about @ovinomanc3r being loyal right now. That would be the ballsiest of ballsy scummy rebel moves if he was a rebel.

If what Ovi says is true, then Mood Oni and/or CNinja should be the mafia. I'm town of course and I have two name too.

But I have to admit that I totally missed Ovi's claim and I still doN't get it because I didn't follow the Lothal game so no clue what happened there... That being said, I would like to point out that if there are 3 mafia in the game, then lynching the wrong person means most likely game over.

Just now, Norell said:

If what Ovi says is true, then Mood Oni and/or CNinja should be the mafia. I'm town of course and I have two name too.

But I have to admit that I totally missed Ovi's claim and I still doN't get it because I didn't follow the Lothal game so no clue what happened there... That being said, I would like to point out that if there are 3 mafia in the game, then lynching the wrong person means most likely game over.

I think the presence of a cop role pretty much shoots the 3 mafia theory down. I guess its not totally dead? But I'd be surprised.

5 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I think the presence of a cop role pretty much shoots the 3 mafia theory down. I guess its not totally dead? But I'd be surprised.

I think that they actually having a power role shoots down the theory.

there is no way there is a 1/3 of the game mafia and they have power roles

10 minutes ago, Norell said:

I'm town of course and I have two name too.

Made me giggle for a moment, I don't think two names shows you are town

7 minutes ago, Visovics said:

I think that they actually having a power role shoots down the theory.

there is no way there is a 1/3 of the game mafia and they have power roles

Either way.

~19 hours remain - 5 to hammer

20 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I think the presence of a cop role pretty much shoots the 3 mafia theory down. I guess its not totally dead? But I'd be surprised.

Agreed. Besides, if there were 3 mafia, we'd be at lynch or lose right now. Because guessing wrong leaves us with 6 players after the night kill, which is tied with the mafia. And that's game over.

I'm pretty sure we have 2 attempts left to find a scum. I'm also pretty sure that we're going down a dead end with any sort of analysis of flavor text from the PMs. Gink even called out that we couldn't mass roleclaim to make this game work. We'll have to do the actual hard work of figuring out who's evil based on what they say and what they leave unsaid.

7 players that aren't me:

I've been going back over D1.

Norell is town. I'm almost certain of it now. His reaction to being up for the lynch is too authentic. With that, the Truthiness kill was almost certainly an attempt to get us to take out Norell today, and get us to LyLo without much useful information.

ovinomanc3r is a tough case. Cop is hard to fake. And even though I've played in games with an evil cop, the early claim is much more likely for him to be good. So even though I've cast doubt on it, in the end, I think I'm willing to trust it for now. I don't put too much stock in his reasoning on why he got blocked. It's possible, but it's also easily possible that a scum roleblocker could have blocked him randomly. If the mafia had really understood his breadcrumbs, I'd expect him to be dead now. I'm going to keep a grain of salt in the back of my mind, though, because it could be a good way to ensure we never suspect him. As I said, the early claim and lack of counterclaim makes that less likely. But still something to keep in the back of our minds.

WigT - my gut says evil, but brain says good. Could be that my gut is mafia aligned. Happened that way before in other games. Some things he says scream evil trying to sound village. But other things he says scream village newbie who has made a rookie mistake. I'll call him good for the moment.

Madaghmire - I'd like detail on why Vis reads town to you? I can't see it - I still see helpful sort of posts that don't advance our gamestate a lot. I'm one to talk, I suppose. But that's what I see. I'm also curious about his claim to a plan. I'm sure he has a plan. I'm just not convinced that his plan isn't a mafia plan to win the game instead of being a village help plan.

CNinja - Just not seeing a lot of anything in his posts. Trying to use GM flavortext to clear himself, though. The fact that he's trying could be an indicator of village alignment. I'd like to see more substance to your posts.

moodswing - the wagon seems to have swung off of him because he used flavortext? It's a crutch, I think. But again, the attempt could be useful. Without knowing what the scum text said, it's hard to know what they wouldn't know to claim. For now, I'll take a vote off. I'm just worried that in this game, flavortext is a flimsy pretext.

Visovics - still with the seeming helpful without actually saying anything helpful.

##unvote

##vote Visovics

16 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Agreed. Besides, if there were 3 mafia, we'd be at lynch or lose right now. Because guessing wrong leaves us with 6 players after the night kill, which is tied with the mafia. And that's game over.

I'm pretty sure we have 2 attempts left to find a scum. I'm also pretty sure that we're going down a dead end with any sort of analysis of flavor text from the PMs. Gink even called out that we couldn't mass roleclaim to make this game work. We'll have to do the actual hard work of figuring out who's evil based on what they say and what they leave unsaid.

7 players that aren't me:

I've been going back over D1.

Norell is town. I'm almost certain of it now. His reaction to being up for the lynch is too authentic. With that, the Truthiness kill was almost certainly an attempt to get us to take out Norell today, and get us to LyLo without much useful information.

ovinomanc3r is a tough case. Cop is hard to fake. And even though I've played in games with an evil cop, the early claim is much more likely for him to be good. So even though I've cast doubt on it, in the end, I think I'm willing to trust it for now. I don't put too much stock in his reasoning on why he got blocked. It's possible, but it's also easily possible that a scum roleblocker could have blocked him randomly. If the mafia had really understood his breadcrumbs, I'd expect him to be dead now. I'm going to keep a grain of salt in the back of my mind, though, because it could be a good way to ensure we never suspect him. As I said, the early claim and lack of counterclaim makes that less likely. But still something to keep in the back of our minds.

WigT - my gut says evil, but brain says good. Could be that my gut is mafia aligned. Happened that way before in other games. Some things he says scream evil trying to sound village. But other things he says scream village newbie who has made a rookie mistake. I'll call him good for the moment.

Madaghmire - I'd like detail on why Vis reads town to you? I can't see it - I still see helpful sort of posts that don't advance our gamestate a lot. I'm one to talk, I suppose. But that's what I see. I'm also curious about his claim to a plan. I'm sure he has a plan. I'm just not convinced that his plan isn't a mafia plan to win the game instead of being a village help plan.

CNinja - Just not seeing a lot of anything in his posts. Trying to use GM flavortext to clear himself, though. The fact that he's trying could be an indicator of village alignment. I'd like to see more substance to your posts.

moodswing - the wagon seems to have swung off of him because he used flavortext? It's a crutch, I think. But again, the attempt could be useful. Without knowing what the scum text said, it's hard to know what they wouldn't know to claim. For now, I'll take a vote off. I'm just worried that in this game, flavortext is a flimsy pretext.

Visovics - still with the seeming helpful without actually saying anything helpful.

##unvote

##vote Visovics

I'm sorry, but WHAT exactly do you expect me to do? I can't cast the 5 votes, I'm trying to get people to talk, so we don't get to the situation we are now in the last hour the day and we end up with a no-vote again, and every time you come in, it's always "Vis is trying to look helpful rather than be", but haven't done anything helpful either. Maybe Truth was right, maybe Norell is indeed town and maybe he was indeed framed, but I cannot believe that you are completely ignoring the impact of flavor in those games, because all loyalists received similar PMs, and how on earth would I know those terms if I hadn't received one? One important question for you: What do you know about "The Establishment"?

Mafia edit:forgot the end

##unvote Norell

##vote Onidsen

18 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

CNinja - Just not seeing a lot of anything in his posts. Trying to use GM flavortext to clear himself, though. The fact that he's trying could be an indicator of village alignment. I'd like to see more substance to your posts.

How about this: You read as an evil rebel scum that didn't realize that Ovinomanc3r was a cop and killed Truthiness to put the heat on me and Norell.

Not enough substance?

That is Pyrite.

Yeah, the fact that @Onidsen doesn't know why I'm town makes me feel pretty comfortable with this.

##vote Onidsen

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

I'm sorry, but WHAT exactly do you expect me to do? I can't cast the 5 votes, I'm trying to get people to talk, so we don't get to the situation we are now in the last hour the day and we end up with a no-vote again, and every time you come in, it's always "Vis is trying to look helpful rather than be", but haven't done anything helpful either. Maybe Truth was right, maybe Norell is indeed town and maybe he was indeed framed, but I cannot believe that you are completely ignoring the impact of flavor in those games, because all loyalists received similar PMs, and how on earth would I know those terms if I hadn't received one? One important question for you: What do you know about "The Establishment"?

I'd personally like clearing someone due to the role PM to become a thing of the past, but I'll bite this time. (Sorry, perhaps there's some pent-up frustration from previous games. In my other forum, quoting or referencing your role PM is grounds for being ejected from the game. It leads to lazy play, IMO.)

[recitation = dramatic tone]

I know that all threats to it must be eliminated. I know that I agree to fight the rebels however I must, even if I die. I know that the scum are terrorists that must be stopped, even though I'd prefer to be a pacifistic tailor. I AM LOYALIST PEABODY CLOTHERS!

[/recitation]

2 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

How about this: You read as an evil rebel scum that didn't realize that Ovinomanc3r was a cop and killed Truthiness to put the heat on me and Norell.

Not enough substance?

That is Pyrite.

Then vote on me. You'll be wrong. But you might just convince me to lynch you instead of Vics. I'm up for it.

Ninja'ed by the actual vote. CNinja - I know exactly why people are thinking you town based on the words you've dropped. What I'm not convinced about it why we are giving that weight after Gink said that this game is not susceptible to mass roleclaim. Which I interpret to mean that flavortext interpretation isn't a reliable source of townreads.

~18 hours remain - 5 to hammer

Well what is your name?

1 minute ago, Onidsen said:

I know that all threats to it must be eliminated. I know that I agree to fight the rebels however I must, even if I die. I know that the scum are terrorists that must be stopped, even though I'd prefer to be a pacifistic tailor. I AM LOYALIST PEABODY CLOTHERS!

All those things were said by other people before, exactly that way.

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Well what is your name?

Oh god is it Peabody Clothers?

32 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Madaghmire - I'd like detail on why Vis reads town to you? I can't see it - I still see helpful sort of posts that don't advance our gamestate a lot. I'm one to talk, I suppose. But that's what I see. I'm also curious about his claim to a plan. I'm sure he has a plan. I'm just not convinced that his plan isn't a mafia plan to win the game instead of being a village help plan.

So what is your read on Madaghmire?

7 minutes ago, Visovics said:

All those things were said by other people before, exactly that way.

Yep, and so I have nothing more to say. I have quoted literally everything from my role PM. There is no more information to give.

6 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

So what is your read on Madaghmire?

I don't have a good one yet. Which is part of the reason I asked to see his read.

37 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Madaghmire - I'd like detail on why Vis reads town to you? I can't see it - I still see helpful sort of posts that don't advance our gamestate a lot. I'm one to talk, I suppose. But that's what I see. I'm also curious about his claim to a plan. I'm sure he has a plan. I'm just not convinced that his plan isn't a mafia plan to win the game instead of being a village help plan.

##unvote

##vote Visovics

So, I made that read early based on a flavor drop in like, his first or second post. I actually haven't closely examined it since, but I suppose I should. Because I think you're right about the dangers of using flavor.

As I said, I'm not a huge fan of the plan he laid out before. Plans your enemy can actively read and watch you enact generally don't work so great. Still, I haven't seen anything beyond that plan that leads me to think he's scum. His play strikes me as consistent with his town play from other games.

2 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Yep, and so I have nothing more to say. I have quoted literally everything from my role PM. There is no more information to give.

How exactly is your name presented? This is a bit that interests me, because the order in which you gave the information you did, is the same reading the thread backwards, "The Establishment", the "even if I die!" In the same words as mood's claim, and then whatever flavour you could invent followed by the name, this is what strikes me suspicious

I made the same read with truth tho and I was right about that.

Just now, Visovics said:

How exactly is your name presented? This is a bit that interests me, because the order in which you gave the information you did, is the same reading the thread backwards, "The Establishment", the "even if I die!" In the same words as mood's claim, and then whatever flavour you could invent followed by the name, this is what strikes me suspicious

Wait, really? That's hilarious, and of course it would make you suspicious. If you want it presented exactly the way it is in my PM, here we go.

My name is Peabody Clothers, and I am a loyalist. While preferably a pacifistic tailor, these terrorists must be stopped, so I agree to fight these rebels however I must, even if I die. I win if all the threats to the establishment have been eliminated.