On 25.06.2017 at 1:08 AM, Velvetelvis said:

I am leaning towards a 10 tie swarm.

It's probably less noticable then 9.

One can also attempt to change maneuver on dial when nobody watches. Seems like a good trick. I heard that being on a stream handicapes this tactic, though.

8 minutes ago, Suriel said:

One can also attempt to change maneuver on dial when nobody watches. Seems like a good trick. I heard that being on a stream handicapes this tactic, though.

Not really a list building cheat though...

Any 101 point list

right.....12 tie swarm comes in at 100 points.

"they are twelve points each...there is ten of them so...ten X ten =100, Look buddy, its a standard tie swarm. don`t worry about it. no one uses it anymore because its not great.You dont have anything to worry about."

" nine ties......leaves just one extra point to throw a tie MK II engine on one of them for no real reason."

"hi there, what you running?"......." I just wanted to try a regular old school academy swarm. I`m not really here to win anything."

17 hours ago, Skargoth said:

Gonna call shenanigans on this. The fact you got away with that ruling is the real cheat.

No. It's because you never received the stress token when you baffle it. You don't remove it, you discard it before receiving it.

tournament yesterday... don't know if it was newbie mistakes or trying to bend rules

3rd round I went up against a YT2400 with HLC, he was trying to fire out of arc with the HLC, of which I wouldn't allow.

another guy was giving free boost/barrel roll actions to stressed ships, or doubling up on rolls and boosts.

I did see a Poe/Autothruster/integrated mech guy.

Crackshot not being discarded on an A-Wing

Rebel Captive on a U-Wing was my favorite tho.

it wasn't even a Store or 40th event either... it was a fan-art prize one. I think I pissed a few people off calling out the mistakes tho.... "well I did this last round and the TO said it was okay" TO doesn't play X-Wing dude.

25 minutes ago, Sarcon said:

No. It's because you never received the stress token when you baffle it. You don't remove it, you discard it before receiving it.

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When you receive a stress token or an ion token, you may suffer 1 damage to discard that token.

Emphasis mine. You have to receive the token before you can discard it.

Your ruling would state "Before you receive a stress token..." which is not what Electronic Baffle does.

5 hours ago, Wiredin said:

tournament yesterday... don't know if it was newbie mistakes or trying to bend rules

3rd round I went up against a YT2400 with HLC, he was trying to fire out of arc with the HLC, of which I wouldn't allow.

another guy was giving free boost/barrel roll actions to stressed ships, or doubling up on rolls and boosts.

I did see a Poe/Autothruster/integrated mech guy.

Crackshot not being discarded on an A-Wing

Rebel Captive on a U-Wing was my favorite tho.

it wasn't even a Store or 40th event either... it was a fan-art prize one. I think I pissed a few people off calling out the mistakes tho.... "well I did this last round and the TO said it was okay" TO doesn't play X-Wing dude.

Rebel captive on a U-wing... I'm okay with this if makes the U-wing more playable.

1 hour ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Rebel captive on a U-wing... I'm okay with this if makes the U-wing more playable.

I swear, Sabine/Engine Upgrade is the best way to run the U-Wing. or at least it's the only way that has worked for me.

52 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

I swear, Sabine/Engine Upgrade is the best way to run the U-Wing. or at least it's the only way that has worked for me.

The best way to run a U-wing is to leave it in the box.

19 minutes ago, tortugatron said:

The best way to run a U-wing is to leave it in the box.

BLASPHEMY!

There is the Rebel Palp-Boat

Blue Squadron Pathfinder (23)
Jan Ors (2)
Jyn Erso (2)
Pivot Wing (0)

Total: 27

Better fighter than a palp boat as it actually has white turns and can do the 0K. Although I prefer the upgraded version

Cassian Andor (27)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Jan Ors (2)
Jyn Erso (2)
Pivot Wing (0)

Total: 34 + EPT of your choice

This one is immune to bumping preventing Jan and Jyn doing their magic; Cassian techs against stress lists, and you get your EPT of choice. I usually pick Expert Handling to tech against TL Ordinance lists.

9 hours ago, kris40k said:

Emphasis mine. You have to receive the token before you can discard it.

Your ruling would state "Before you receive a stress token..." which is not what Electronic Baffle does.

I see what you mean, but honestly I disagree.

According to the rules there are a few ways to remove a stress. Green moves, some pilot abilities, crew abilities and EPTs. In each and every one of these cases, the stress must be assigned to your ship in order to remove it.

When you perform a rage action, you must receive 2 stress tokens. Before they are assigned to your ship, you can choose to baffle to reduce the number of stress assigned to your ship. This is in no way removing a stress from your ship. It is discarding it before it is assigned.

3 minutes ago, Sarcon said:

Before they are assigned to your ship,

Its when, not before.

Do what the cards say, not what they don't say.

The first stress token is received. This triggers Electronic Baffle. You choose to not baffle.

The second stress token is received. This triggers Electronic Baffle. You choose to baffle. Remove 1 stress token. Inspiring Recruit triggers. Remove the second token.

1 hour ago, kris40k said:

Its when, not before.

Do what the cards say, not what they don't say.

The first stress token is received. This triggers Electronic Baffle. You choose to not baffle.

The second stress token is received. This triggers Electronic Baffle. You choose to baffle. Remove 1 stress token. Inspiring Recruit triggers. Remove the second token.

No, you receive them both at the same time. If you baffle one, you don't remove a stress because you choose to discard it, instead of having one assigned to your ship. There is no removing. The wording is very important here! Inspiring recruit does not trigger on Baffle.

They are received one at a time - It's cropped up before, has to do with soontir's abilities wording. For Example, Rage will trigger soontir's ability twice giving you a focus for each stress - though if you go with the single trigger, 2 at the same time argument, you'd really only get one focus token.

Play here, and our TO will rule you can inspiring recruit dual stress away with baffle.

Baffle doesn't have a replacement effect - so stress does hit your ship, before you baffle it away. discarding is removing. as long as you already have a stress when you baffle - you can remove a second stress.

Integrated and chimps on a x-wing. Because no one expects you to fire a torpedo without chimps nowadays, just modify the dice and I'm sure most people won't notice.

1 hour ago, Ravncat said:

Baffle doesn't have a replacement effect - so stress does hit your ship, before you baffle it away. discarding is removing. as long as you already have a stress when you baffle - you can remove a second stress.

But you're saying that the meaning of "discard" is the same as the meaning of "remove". In some cases the end result may be the same, but I still say, even if you receive one stress first, then baffle, thus discard the second, the end result is the second stress never being assigned to your ship. How can you remove something that is not assigned? How does this trigger inspiring recruit? Discard is not the same as remove!

3 hours ago, Sarcon said:

But you're saying that the meaning of "discard" is the same as the meaning of "remove". In some cases the end result may be the same, but I still say, even if you receive one stress first, then baffle, thus discard the second, the end result is the second stress never being assigned to your ship. How can you remove something that is not assigned? How does this trigger inspiring recruit? Discard is not the same as remove!

You're intentionally doing the steps out of order to support your stance. You don't trigger Baffle until the second stress gets added (again, stress coming one at a time is supported via current rules).

To discard something, it must be assigned to you. You can't "discard" something before it is assigned, that would require "prevent" or "before" text. Baffle doesn't prevent the stress, it removes it post-assignment.

Discard may not be the same as Remove, however, something is certainly removed when it is discarded.

10 hours ago, Wiredin said:

I swear, Sabine/Engine Upgrade is the best way to run the U-Wing. or at least it's the only way that has worked for me.

You fancy kids and your bombs and sabines and pivot wings and upgraded engines and.....

Best thing I've come up with so far is Cassian+ Bistan+Expertise+ sensor jammer+title, but it is a point sink. It does hit like a truck though.

A list with 1-2 points over 100. Iv'e seen more than once some players realize at the end of a night they did that involuntarily.

1 hour ago, ArbitraryNerd said:

Discard may not be the same as Remove, however, something is certainly removed when it is discarded.

As I said, the end result may sometimes be the same, but the interaction of removing is not the same as discarding.

So, according to rules:

1) Perform Rage action

2) Assign Focus token and a Stress to your ship. Trigger baffle yes/no? If no, put token down. Assign second Stress to your ship. Trigger baffle yes/no? If yes, take a damage and discard the token.

You never physically put the token down so how did you remove it? As far as I can see only discards happened, and we both just pointed out that there is a big difference between discarding and removing. So as per rules as written, I still stand by my point that Inspiring Recruit does not trigger on a discarded stress token.

EDIT: Lets submit it to the rules questions just to be sure. If it is this unclear that we have this discussion about this, it needs an FAQ.

14 minutes ago, Sarcon said:

You never physically put the token down so how did you remove it?

This is where your process is breaking down. You do put the token down, then Electronic Baffle is triggered giving you the option to discard it. By baffle's wording, if the token was never received, then baffle would never trigger. You are not preventing a stress token from being assigned to the ship. It is received, then you can choose to discard it if you want to.

Just now, kris40k said:

This is where your process is breaking down. You do put the token down, then Electronic Baffle is triggered giving you the option to discard it. By baffle's wording, if the token was never received, then baffle would never trigger.

No, you receive a stress token, then you choose to lose a shield instead of assigning the token to your ship. And even if what you're saying is correct, it does not make "discarding" removing.

Just now, Sarcon said:

And even if what you're saying is correct, it does not make "discarding" removing.

Are you kidding me?

Ok, it has become obvious that you are not open to the possibility of being incorrect on this subject.

Have fun.