If you are using IG-88B with the IG-2000 title, and also using another ship with the IG-88D crew card, and Gunner. If that ship misses does it get to attack twice; once with a cannon and once with whatever you want?
IG-88B Question
No. The missed attack qualifies for one additional attack if you have a card that grant the effect.
5 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:No. The missed attack qualifies for one additional attack if you have a card that grant the effect.
This is incorrect. You get both.
Such a loop hole. FFG needs to fix this.
Gotta love the scum. FFG does.
That bounty hunter is my kind of scum, fearless and inventive.
The Gunner and the IG-88 ability trigger at the same time, so yes, it works. You have to do the cannon attack from IG-88 first though, as Gunner specifically states "you cannot attack again this round".
It's a combo that feels like it shouldn't really work though, and I wouldn't run it because you run the risk of having to explain why it's legal to every opponent you face.
Ya I see where you are coming from, but against a Phantom Cloaked it is really good.
24 minutes ago, Princess LeidAnEgg said:Such a loop hole. FFG needs to fix this.
Why? It's really not that strong, and it costs half your list to do, and requires a YV, and a single brobot; single brobots with only one ability are a lot easier to defeat.
It's weird and wonky, but it's by no means broken.
It's a very, very broken combo. We call it "Bull **** Bossk".
Edited by Dr Zoidberg21 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:Why? It's really not that strong, and it costs half your list to do, and requires a YV, and a single brobot; single brobots with only one ability are a lot easier to defeat.
It's weird and wonky, but it's by no means broken.
EDIT. Because I wasn't considering that we need 2 crew for that
10 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:It's a very, very broken combo. We call it "Bull **** Bossk".
That requires a very specific two-ship build to go off. A two-ship build that it's very easy to work around. And there have been two FAQs since the combo was legal. Playtesting (and how infrequently IG/Gunner/Houndstooth shows up on List Juggler) has shown it not to be game-breaking. Though I'd add HotCop for the most bang for your buck.
Nah, the best third seat is Dengar to try to ensure that first miss, misses.
The trick to this is basically that you need to survive a single round of fire from Bossk/Moralo, get behind him, and then you win. A single brobot is pretty scary, but the teeth of the list is the YV, and YVs can't turn round.
Or just to take the first hit and laugh.
It's utter poison for aces though, if they can't get that initial arc dodge.
YVs can do hard stops though so it can be hard to predict what they will do.
9 hours ago, Achowat said:That requires a very specific two-ship build to go off. A two-ship build that it's very easy to work around. And there have been two FAQs since the combo was legal. Playtesting (and how infrequently IG/Gunner/Houndstooth shows up on List Juggler) has shown it not to be game-breaking. Though I'd add HotCop for the most bang for your buck.
You've your opinion; I've mine. The fact that FFG ruled both 88B and Gunner work off the missed attack is still bull ****.
Every time someone on this forums cries FFG needs to fix some combo that is not overpowered (and I'm excluding the debatable ones) because they don't like it a puppy dies.
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No, wait, that can't be true. There'd be no puppies left in the world by now.
On a more serious note: every minute they'd spend on something that does not warp the game is a minute spent not working on something that does.
Edited by ElavionJust look at this:
IG-88B- PTL, HLC, Tractor Beam, Scavenger Crane, IG-2000, Counter-Measures
Bossk- Calculation, "Mangler", Gunner, Greedo, IG-88D, 99/100
As you can see you can still make good fleets with YV and the Aggressor.
Edited by Princess LeidAnEggYou can do both attacks...and it's NASTY.
Had it happen to me in one of my vassal league games this past season. He was lucky to get it off as he rolled a decent attack and then of course I rolled just enough evades to trigger it and then got no evades on the follow up shots!
Luckily I still won the game.
14 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:You've your opinion; I've mine. The fact that FFG ruled both 88B and Gunner work off the missed attack is still bull ****.
You have your opinion, I have mine, and then you state your opinion as fact. If you can't beat Bossk and his robot friend Iggy, ask someone who plays them to swap lists. Its a fun, scummy gimmick, but once you're piloting them you get a real sense of the many weaknesses to the list.
My opinion is that you can either complain or git good.
"The fact" is a turn of phrase. However, it is a fact that FFG ruled they both work. My opinion is that its a bull ruling.
And given I play at FLGS at organised, but causal events twice a week; I'm not exactly in a position to ask the guy to swap lists. Plenty of us have expressed our dislike of him running the list, but that hasn't stopped him from doing it.
And we've reverted to "get good" have we has far as rebuttals go now, have we? You've nothing to counter except ad hominems . Good to know.
Edit: I would also point out the fallacy of your argument in that if I dislike it, I must be losing to it. That's an incorrect assumption on your behalf. I and others have beaten it just as much as we've been beaten by it. Regardless, our W/L ratio against it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Edited by Dr ZoidbergSo it's BS because you don't like it. Strong argument.
Forgive me if I don't take lectures from you on the strength of arguments.
No, I consider it BS because of what it does to the combat interaction. He can utilise Dengar to miss the first shot intentionally or you evade; and then he gets to shoot back twice regardless. You have little way to respond.
And yes, you get behind Bossk and you've got a chance. But with VI + EU, he can move. And you've still got 88B hounding you from the other direction.
All it might take is one round of combat to tip the balance in the Bossk/88B player's favour when he can, theoretically, shoot at you 5 times from two ships.
Edited by Dr ZoidbergHow could FFG not let this combo work on the Jumpmaster.
On 6/24/2017 at 9:09 AM, Princess LeidAnEgg said:Just look at this:
IG-88B- PTL, HLC, Tractor Beam, Scavenger Crane, IG-2000, Counter-Measures
Bossk- Calculation, "Mangler", Gunner, Greedo, IG-88D, 99/100
As you can see you can still make good fleets with YV and the Aggressor.
I like this!
No Jumpmaster, so it has my blessings, though Im not a good enough Scum pilot to fly it to make criminals proud, I might give it a go one night soon. Honestly, I've never flown my YV, just busted crap like 2 Jumps and Rau.
I might see a glimmer of light here ?
Hey someone just found a combo that might put the Aggressor and YV666 on the table and everyone wants to nerf it because we prefer the current meta.
Some people...