There are bounty hunters and then there's the whole tragic story of the Fett's, as far as appearances go.

Apparently it wasn't recognized, right, how popular Boba Fett was, you know, in the 3 seconds he was a badass shutting down Luke or out tricking Han. Plus, you know, awesome on screen presence. And then his death ends up being stupid. We all sort of know what happens is, in the name of fandom, Lucas has a big old fight scene starship-wise and 3 more seconds of much better dying at the hands of the Jedi. But that's tampered with some **** silly scenes of kid Boba Fett and, well, a generally weak excuse that he was the model for all clones. Okay, whatever...

Then we have all this esoteric lore about making Mandalorians awesome, anti-Jedi, etc. Follow that all the way up through Rebels, and Mandalorians are a thing, throughout.

The question is, do people want to see bounty hunters? Or do they really want more Mandalorians? I'm not even saying whether it'd be a good idea or bad to include Mandalorians, but I have a feeling most people are wanting that than strange lizard headed or even weirder droid bounty hunters.

On 2017-06-22 at 6:46 AM, Flaren48 said:

And you can still find two posts a day about interceptors as well XD

Yeah but now it's to say they need a boost :-)

2 hours ago, KelRiever said:

There are bounty hunters and then there's the whole tragic story of the Fett's, as far as appearances go.

Apparently it wasn't recognized, right, how popular Boba Fett was, you know, in the 3 seconds he was a badass shutting down Luke or out tricking Han. Plus, you know, awesome on screen presence. And then his death ends up being stupid. We all sort of know what happens is, in the name of fandom, Lucas has a big old fight scene starship-wise and 3 more seconds of much better dying at the hands of the Jedi. But that's tampered with some **** silly scenes of kid Boba Fett and, well, a generally weak excuse that he was the model for all clones. Okay, whatever...

Then we have all this esoteric lore about making Mandalorians awesome, anti-Jedi, etc. Follow that all the way up through Rebels, and Mandalorians are a thing, throughout.

The question is, do people want to see bounty hunters? Or do they really want more Mandalorians? I'm not even saying whether it'd be a good idea or bad to include Mandalorians, but I have a feeling most people are wanting that than strange lizard headed or even weirder droid bounty hunters.

I rather see some of the off shoot movies delve deeper into things like Boba Fett, bounty hunters and the whole criminal aspect of the star wars universe (Black Sun, Hutt cartel, Death Watch etc.) there's a lot there to cover and it should definitely be separate from the last Jedi and I think it will be unless for some reason it ties in but I doubt it with how many people were crying that TFA was A New Hope repackaged I doubt they will go anywhere near bounty hunters in the last Jedi for fear of pissing off the fanbase more with a loose ESB rehash of bounty hunter involvement ...

FYI:

Strange Lizard head (Trandoshan is the species) = Bossk

Droid bounty hunters = IG88B, C-21 Highsinger (appeared in Clone Wars animated series, part of Bobas gang) and 4-Lom (Zuckuss's protocol bounty hunter droid buddy) there are more but this covers the on screen canon ones...

If we could get Boba's clone war team back in TLJ, that would be pretty cool. Embo, Latts, Boba and Dengar. Maybe this time they''d be rebels, and us rebel players will get some OP stuff like imps and scum have had.

As for offshoot movies, I'd love to see Boba reclaim his title as the Mandalore, in Legends this occurs between RotJ and TFA, so it's an unexplored area in this new, void, universe.

If you're going to see it anywhere, the Han Solo film sounds more likely to feature the underworld/western themed bits of the Star Wars universe where the bounty hunters really belong.

Probably still not going to see Jaxxon and the Rabbit's Foot, though.

The list of pilots Meta-Wing lists as performing well in the current season of store championships is very interesting.

Meta-Wing search

1. Esege Tuketu
2. Genesis Red
3. Palob Godalhi
4. Sienar Test Pilot
5. Inaldra
6. Ezra Bridger
7. Manaroo
8. Cartel Marauder
9. Omega Specialist
10. Concord Dawn Veteran

I'm surprised to see Esege on the list but not Miranda.

19 minutes ago, Dengar5 said:

The list of pilots Meta-Wing lists as performing well in the current season of store championships is very interesting.

Meta-Wing search

I'm surprised to see Esege on the list but not Miranda.

With this filter of yours, it's almost exclusively about how well the average list performed (particularly considering all store championships have a similar size). Esege was only used once and got 6th out of 25, which is way above average. In other words, it may be a positive outlier, but it resulted in a good Esege ranking for this filter. Miranda was in that same list, too, but many people did rather poorly with her, so her average percentile is way lower.

This could mean that somebody got really lucky, or maybe that Esege is under-appreciated?

I'm thinking about ways to make this filter more useful. Somebody once suggested a minimum cutoff ("don't show pilots that were used less than n times"), that might work...

4 minutes ago, haslo said:

With this filter of yours, it's almost exclusively about how well the average list performed (particularly considering all store championships have a similar size). Esege was only used once and got 6th out of 25, which is way above average. In other words, it may be a positive outlier, but it resulted in a good Esege ranking for this filter. Miranda was in that same list, too, but many people did rather poorly with her, so her average percentile is way lower.

This could mean that somebody got really lucky, or maybe that Esege is under-appreciated?

I'm thinking about ways to make this filter more useful. Somebody once suggested a minimum cutoff ("don't show pilots that were used less than n times"), that might work...

These are the filter parameters I perceive as most relevant and useful, but the output doesn't lead to any useful info. Using the "popularity" of a pilot doesn't actually let you know how good it is, so I turned that ranking parameter off. Using a cutoff like you suggest just manipulates the data & gives false results. Esege was likely flown with Miranda in a two ship list. I have faced that list and it is decent. I think you are doing alright with the data available, but a having a few hundred data points is insufficient for the number of pilots in X-wing. In my local meta only about 1 of 4 tournaments get put on List Juggler. Additionally, even if you got accurate output for the individual performance of pilots, it would be the global average performance. Local metas vary significantly.

If you like filter suggestions, these are mine. Option to filter out tournaments with less than 12 players. Those don't hold ANY value in my perspective. A way to select all tournaments with a cut to top8 as the dataset. These hold the greatest value. Regional or national filters would be nice. Lots of the outlier results seem to come from outside North America.

55 minutes ago, Dengar5 said:

If you like filter suggestions, these are mine. Option to filter out tournaments with less than 12 players. Those don't hold ANY value in my perspective. A way to select all tournaments with a cut to top8 as the dataset. These hold the greatest value. Regional or national filters would be nice. Lots of the outlier results seem to come from outside North America.

Thanks a lot! The filter for small tournaments sounds really useful, yeah. I'm adding it to the list of things to do.

Top cuts don't really work, unfortunately, because the entered data is so inconsistent - many tournaments don't have all the lists in the cut entered, while others just add the Swiss rank as "post-cut rank", too, making that relatively useless. And I tried national filters; because the fields for entering country and locale are free-form text, the data is very inconsistent there and would need manual normalization before it could be of any use

The weighing for popular lists does impact the "magic" value only logarithmically; essentially it mostly eliminates outliers. But I think it'd be useful to have more than one setting there maybe? Like, a weaker setting or two.

And I really need to add clickable column headers for alternate sorting

On 3 de julio de 2017 at 10:54 AM, Phoenix5454 said:

Wouldn't he be ancient by the time of the Last Jedi? I really rather not see a Geriatric Dengar...

That's why he's going FULL MUM-RA! Let the bandages flow

It's Star Wars man.... He can live as long (and be as kick ***) as writers want him to (be)!

Edit: For kick assness!

What race is Dengar? Is he human? He looks human but that doesn't mean he is.

21 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

What race is Dengar? Is he human? He looks human but that doesn't mean he is.

Human, and specifically Corellian.

He's Corelian, I believe, so he's human like Han.

Don't mean he won't still be an ace pilot at 80 though. They were the super pilot humans...

Edit: I knew I'd get ninja'd...

On 2017-06-22 at 6:46 AM, bageldrone said:

Soontir was pushed out by power creep (mostly scum). It looks like the jumpmaster is getting pushed out by bombers.

dont forget SLAM/Sabine. Huge reason why the fragile aces dont see play anymore.

On 2 de julio de 2017 at 2:25 PM, clanofwolves said:

@haslo, @MajorJuggler, @sozin, @Stay On Target, and others who state analysis with backup and statistics; thanks!!! Don't be bothered by blather without equal statistics or backup; it's just clanging symbols or simple opinions.......mostly both. ?

"There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Attributed to Benjamin Disraeli

Stats can show anything you want them to. Logic in analysis is the only barometer of reason.

Edit: I'm not doubting the logic or arguments of the four people you named, just your faith in statistics as a mechanism of truth...

16 minutes ago, Larky Bobble said:

"There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Attributed to Benjamin Disraeli

Stats can show anything you want them to. Logic in analysis is the only barometer of reason.

It's usually pretty obvous to someone who's taken a stats class when statistics are being manipulated. There's "best practices" to avoid false conclusions that are usually left out by the **** lying stats.

28 minutes ago, Larky Bobble said:

He's Corelian, I believe, so he's human like Han.

Don't mean he won't still be an ace pilot at 80 though. They were the super pilot humans...

Edit: I knew I'd get ninja'd...

Until we find out he's really Yoda's nephew, twice removed, and is a powerful force user which will ultimately explain his dial. The only reason he didn't catch Han in ESB was his estranged Corellian father, who is also Han's father making Dengar his half-brother, and he wouldn't turn his blood over to the Empire and Hutts. He's also secretly Snoke which is why the rumor started he is in TLJ. ?

Sorry soap operas were on while trying to study I couldn't resist.

42 minutes ago, Larky Bobble said:

"There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Attributed to Benjamin Disraeli

Stats can show anything you want them to. Logic in analysis is the only barometer of reason.

Edit: I'm not doubting the logic or arguments of the four people you named, just your faith in statistics as a mechanism of truth...

Well Larky, I'll disagree fundamentally with you, though I love a smattering of sarcastic barbs and salty quotes as much as the next guy. These statistics of played, recorded X-Wing squads at actual events by these fine gentlemen, seems to me should carry far more weight on what the power level of components in our beautiful game-state is, than subjective posts and comments on forums, or around the proverbial water cooler. And let's be honest, faith has little to nothing to do with the disconnected affairs of men, but facts such as these --however manipulatable-- stand taller and closer to "truth" than opinions ever could, if opinions can stand at all.

45 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

Until we find out he's really Yoda's nephew, twice removed, and is a powerful force user which will ultimately explain his dial.

Although I know you're trying to be funny, the dial is partly attributed to the ship itself as the Jumpmaster 5000 was used to map new hyper space routes, it shouldn't be too shocking that a ship used for this purpose would not only be durable but maneuverable.

4 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

Well Larky, I'll disagree fundamentally with you, though I love a smattering of sarcastic barbs and salty quotes as much as the next guy. These statistics of played, recorded X-Wing squads at actual events by these fine gentlemen, seems to me should carry far more weight on what the power level of components in our beautiful game-state is, than subjective posts and comments on forums, or around the proverbial water cooler. And let's be honest, faith has little to nothing to do with the disconnected affairs of men, but facts such as these --however manipulatable-- stand taller and closer to "truth" than opinions ever could, if opinions can stand at all.

Weighty words sir. And well argued with not a statistic in sight. You demonstrate my point, although unintentionally I'm sure...