I believe that one of the best upgrade cards for Backdraft is Snapshot. His ability reads, "When attacking a ship inside your auxiliary firing arc, you may add 1critical result." So your not modifying, but add a crit result.
Snapshot on Backdraft is awesome.
Can't shoot snap shot out of aux arc.
Too bad Snap Shot is only out the front arc.
Snapshot, as it is a secondary weapon, only works in the primary firing arc. Also adding dice results counts as a modification.
Yep -- you can add a die to a roll, but not a specific result.
Where does it say that.
Snap Shot reads, "After an enemy ship executes a maneuver, you may perform this attack against that ship. Attack: Attack 1 ship. You cannot modify your attack dice and cannot attack again this phase.
1 minute ago, Hawkstrike said:Yep -- you can add a die to a roll, but not a specific result.
Doesn't say that either.
1 minute ago, devotedknight said:Where does it say that.
Snap Shot reads, "After an enemy ship executes a maneuver, you may perform this attack against that ship. Attack: Attack 1 ship. You cannot modify your attack dice and cannot attack again this phase.
Rules and FAQ
For the secondary weapons only in arc, Page 4 of rules reference, under ATTACK heading: "If attacking with a secondary weapon, the target must be inside the attacker’s firing arc (unless otherwise specified) and at the weapon range indicated on the weapon’s Upgrade card."
For the adding dice results counts as modification, Page 13 of FAQ, under Omega Leader section: "added die results (C-3P0, Advanced Targeting Computer, Accuracy Corrector, etc.) do count as modifying dice and cannot be used."
Since snap shot has the "Attack:" header, it's a secondary weapon. Secondary weapons can only be shot out of the primary arc.
Snap Shot is a secondary weapon as it is an upgrade card with [Attack] on it. They can only fire out the primary arc. Adding a specific dice result - in Backdraft's case, a <crit> - is a form of dice modification.
You're wrong on both counts.
Edit: Ninja'd.
Edited by Dr ZoidbergConsider a case where you have a Large base ship which ends up in both your arcs. Then, you still can't add a Crit because adding a result is a modification (like ATC or Fearlessness). He can still add crits in both arcs on a normal attack, as those don't have Snap Shot's limitations. Adding dice to your Dice Pool during the "gather dice" step is NOT a dice modification.
this isnt a case of whats on the card, its a case of the general rules
Anything with the
Attack
header is a secondary weapon: thus Snapshot is a secondary weapon. And unless given permission it MUST be out of the primary arc.
Under Dice Modification, any adding results, rerolling results, or changing die faces is die modification and YOU, i.e. the ship firing snapshot, is not allowed to mod the dice.
Sorry to burst your bubble!
If snap shot was not arc restricted it would be amazing on anything with a turret and would be stapled to HLC dash.
I think this is a Kraytastic idea.
36 minutes ago, AngryAlbatross said:Sorry to burst your bubble!
If snap shot was not arc restricted it would be amazing on anything with a turret and would be stapled to HLC dash.
Hell, if it was allowed to shoot out of the rear arc, it'd be amazing on Kath Scarlet.
Edited by PhantomFO1 hour ago, PhantomFO said:Hell, if it was allowed to shoot out of the rear arc, it'd be amazing on Kath Scarlet.
If secondary weapons in general were able to be fired out of secondary and auxillary arcs, there'd be a wide range of interesting options.
Not sure any of them would break the game, but I'd certainly start looking with renewed interest!
Most aux ships have secondary weapon slots, right? Should be a low cost mod or maybe a couple of secondary weapons which can specifically be fired out of the auxiliary arcs
5 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:Most aux ships have secondary weapon slots, right? Should be a low cost mod or maybe a couple of secondary weapons which can specifically be fired out of the auxiliary arcs
Moralo Eval can fire a Cannon in his aux arc. The VCX-100 can fire torpedoes in its special arc.
Only pilots I know that can shoot secondaries outside their primary arc are Moralo Eval with cannons, Nera with torps and the TT 2400 with the Outrider title. Might have missed one or two though.
2 hours ago, PhantomFO said:Hell, if it was allowed to shoot out of the rear arc, it'd be amazing on Kath Scarlet.
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I'm a little confused, From another post, " Are Backstabber and Mauler Mither worth their point?" Here are some Replies.
"I wouldn't put hull on either. I would find an EPT for Mauler: Snapshot is fun for me! VI and crackshot are also great"
And
"Snap Shot Mauler Mithel is a surprisingly effective ace hunter. I've seen him do moderately unspeakable things to high PS large ships, too - when people get a total of 7 attack dice to the face in one turn from a single TIE fighter, it tends to get their attention... "
I was going by these responses. So what go is Snap shot then?
I don't understand what you mean. Snap Shot Mauler is fine. It's not fine on Backdraft because you can't use it out of the rear arc.
mauler adds an additional die, Backdraft adds a result
check "modifying dice" or w.e section of the rules reference. They specifically define what "modifying dice" is, and adding results is a part of it.
snapshot cannot be modified, therefore cannot have results added to the roll
also a 2ndary weapon, so it cannot even be used out the auxiliary anyway
Edited by ficklegreendice
also adding a result is modifing attack dice, that's why you can't add a crit after accuracy corrector.
12 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:I don't understand what you mean. Snap Shot Mauler is fine. It's not fine on Backdraft because you can't use it out of the rear arc.
OK, Got it!