Anything done wrong is worthless. I mean, there is no doubt about that. The idea here is that somewhere FFG figures out a way to make it easy for players to keep up, want to buy stuff, and FFG makes some money doing it. I'm optimistic. And I do think that's way better than constantly checking the FAQ...especially since when players play, imo they just want to look at one thing...the card.

Not that I mind the FAQ. That's necessary too, until updates occur.

I'm all for this. Even tho FFG has stated that they would never ever ever do blisters packs of just cards or cards / carboard, never say never!

34 minutes ago, KelRiever said:

The idea here is that somewhere FFG figures out a way to make it easy for players to keep up, want to buy stuff, and FFG makes some money doing it.

...and that's exactly what they're doing.

1 hour ago, NotBatman said:

...and that's exactly what they're doing.

No, they're not.

Easy for players to keep up? Check.

Players want to buy stuff? Check.

FFG making bank? Check.

Here's the deal, NotBatman, while I respect your expressed opinion, as basically, 'It's fine', from here in, I'm likely to ignore your posts on account of that the contrurtiveness of that argument from you to me seems done. Obviously, I don't agree and I'm interested in solutions that are not 'It's fine just the way it is.' So, go on with yourself posting your stuff, but I'll pass on you at this point.

Now...

The best way, really, this all gets done is basically an app at some point. That's the way it's all moving, it seems even for tabletop miniatures games. People pay for the subscription, the 'cards' and rules of whatever game gets updated, and everyone can easily access the changes whether they're hardcore Jumpmaster tourney goers, or casual people who purchased the games.

Then there's no card packs separate at all. Sure, you need a smart phone to play. Sure you might miss the tactile enjoyment of a card. But really, the benefits at least match the negatives. Include cards with the ships? Sure. But those who care to stay current, and frankly if the rules are updated with as much depth as they are in the most recent FAQ, staying current is data intensive, and useful otherwise FFG wouldn't bother with it...it's a much easier way to go.

So either release card packs, or move everything to an app that people pay whatever fee towards making it worthwhile.

Oh, just on follow up, an app would be amazing for a laptop as well, where you could possibly pull up multiple tabs, hopefully, with various displays of your ships and cards associated with them. A war room, so to speak.

2 hours ago, KelRiever said:

Oh, just on follow up, an app would be amazing for a laptop as well, where you could possibly pull up multiple tabs, hopefully, with various displays of your ships and cards associated with them. A war room, so to speak.

No disrespect Kel but I hate that things are going that way. I played Dungeons and Dragons for over ten years and loved getting the textbooks and reading them over and over again researching character ideas or campaign settings. When they made it a bastardized half pc game hybrid I was out and will never go back. Some things really do not need technology outside physical game pieces. A tabletop game ceases to be just that when a computer is required to play. I may be old fashioned but to me if a game is going to use a pc outside list/deck/team building it should be exclusively on pc. Boardgames, which this really is at its core, should require nothing but friends, a table and light enough to read.

I guess if you're a purist in that way. But I think that's the trend. Mind you I'm saying in addition to cards, not in replacement of.

(dont try to speak logically, they drink da koolaid of everything FFG says like trump fans)

3 hours ago, Stilgod said:

(dont try to speak logically, they drink da koolaid of everything FFG says like trump fans)

Don't.... use..... logic?

If you look at how FFG has clamped down on game aids in tournaments, you really think they are going to an app based way of cards?

Yes, since they would have control of the app themselves and it would be their product. Absolutely.

On 6/25/2017 at 10:03 PM, Handler said:

Here's one from a while ago:

http://www.jodocast.com/2015/02/22/x-wing-qa-with-designer-alex-davy/

I've been aware of that statement from Alex Davy for a long time. It's the one and only statement I've ever heard from an FFG employee on the topic of card-only expansions, but it does not rule out the possibility of card-only expansions, and certainly does not say that there are licensing issues preventing them.

Maybe someone can provide me with a link to something else that explains the source of the rumor that FFG will never make card packs. Bonus points if they state that it's because their license prevents it. If I'm wrong, it should be easy to prove it with a bit of of Googling. So far, no one has been able to back it up with a statement by anyone at FFG.

I'm pretty sure the rumor comes from that very statement by Alex, which is why I keep challenging people to look at it for what it is. In 2015, Alex thought it unlikely that we'd see card-only expansions. Fine. Leave it at that. "Not likely" is a good enough answer without insisting it means "never, because license". The licensing explanation appears to be baseless.

I really don't think you need any other explanation that this is more profitable to them. Once the EU ships sold just about as well as the movie ships, that pretty much solidified the model.

2 hours ago, Sithborg said:

I really don't think you need any other explanation that this is more profitable to them. Once the EU ships sold just about as well as the movie ships, that pretty much solidified the model.

Sure, that might explain why it hasn't happened yet, but I think we can only guess. X-Wing's profitability isn't something we can talk about with any certainty or specifics. It's entirely possible that X-Wing is not very profitable on a unit-by-unit basis, and Christian T. Petersen's article on manufacturing the Millennium Falcon might be enlightening for those who think I just wrote something crazy.

I am aware of that. But I would imagine they would rather keep the profits from ships than to have profits from card packs cut into those.

I mean, the entire basis of why people want card packs is that they don't want to buy the new ships.

It's also ridiculous, I think, to imagine FFG never ever changing its mind.

Practicality has its way of doing that, sometimes.

Again, I think you do card packs and an updatable app. If no card packs, at least still maintain cards in each purchase but provide an app. Controllable, cost effective, and extremely useful. Saying no forever to that simply makes no sense to me.

35 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

I am aware of that. But I would imagine they would rather keep the profits from ships than to have profits from card packs cut into those.

I mean, the entire basis of why people want card packs is that they don't want to buy the new ships.

Oh, I agree it's really unlikely that we'll see card packs containing Twin Laser Turrets and Autothrusters.

I'm thinking more like card-only packs containing new pilots and upgrades for older ships, along with some new general-purpose EPTs and other upgrades or punchboard goodies that would be desirable by just about any serious player. I see card packs as a way to fill in the long gaps between the production cycles on plastic so that fans of the original trilogy or ships that were declared dead on arrival might have competitive options using their favorite models sooner, and as a way for FFG to respond more quickly to changes in the meta. This all assumes that it's significantly quicker to produce card-only packs, but that might not be the case.

Oh, I am down for more stuff like Most Wanted, with a bunch of new cards and templates for new pilots.

I used to be opposed to this idea, but after the FAQ I am starting to warm up to it.

In a matter of fact I think they should move away from older cards and have a card pack only to update the older model. Have a rotation of cards so OP ones like Contracted Scout will be gone in a few years and fixes for pilots like Darth Vader can come out more often.