6 minutes ago, E Chu Ta said:

Oh, my sweet, dear child. These are the forums. We'll complain about anything.

Fair enough. But this product is not a throw away to get the Scyk fix for some of us. It feels like another kick in the balls to the Epic/casual crowd, who gets little enough attention as it is.

Yes, unlike 90% of the complaints on this forum, I feel this one is actually warranted. It was an actual QC snafu on FFG's end and was fixed in a way that says "yeah, we don't really care about Epic. Deal with it."

2 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

Yes, unlike 90% of the complaints on this forum, I feel this one is actually warranted. It was an actual QC snafu on FFG's end and was fixed in a way that says "yeah, we don't really care about Epic. Deal with it."

More like "we have your money already, suck it epic players".

23 minutes ago, balindamood said:

The only thing I can think of is some sort of elaborate mail scheme which does not work well for international shipping, and would probably eclipse in cost anything they ever would have made from the ship sales itself.

FFG already has a process for shipping replacement game pieces to replace defective/missing pieces to people all over the world. All they need are the corrected pieces*, no elaborate scheme necessary.

*and the cahones to admit they made a mistake

41 minutes ago, Fuzzywookie said:

The line has been crossed.

i'm enthused that other people see why i'm complaining about this 'quick fix'
to clarify
i'm not an occasional player
I have a ridiculous armada of Rebel, Imperial and Scum ships (just ask my wife)
i buy enough of each ship type to be able to play a 100pt game with just that ship
(this means that, yes i have 16 z-95's) (yes i have a problem 8) )
i also have a solid collection of Epic ships (1 tantive IV, 2 gr75, 2 gozanti, 2 imperial raiders + 1 C-ROCK of $h1t)
I would've bought 2 C-ROC's but for this problem so i could customize one for a Broken Horn title
for me it's not about who needs to fix it ( its FFG by the way)
it's about the game i love to play and how a simple error is pushed back upon the players
rather than FFG holding it's hands up and fixing it to maintain their quality and respect
they have the way to replace this already, their customer support if fantastic
i just wish they would do the right thing

FBJ

46 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

Yes, unlike 90% of the complaints on this forum, I feel this one is actually warranted. It was an actual QC snafu on FFG's end and was fixed in a way that says "yeah, we don't really care about Epic. Deal with it."

Completely agree. I would go even higher and say 98% of complaints on here are eye rolling silliness. However, this is something to have a legitimate gripe about. This isn't a $15 ship you blow your pocket change on, it's retailed at $70. If your investing that amount of money on a plastic ship it should be made correct or hey, mistakes happen, but then the error should be replaced. In this case here errata was made to make the mistake "correct" instead of actually removing the error to make it uniform with other epic ships.

11 minutes ago, Evenflow30 said:

This isn't a $15 ship you blow your pocket change on, it's retailed at $70. If your investing that amount of money on a plastic ship it should be made correct or hey, mistakes happen, but then the error should be replaced. In this case here errata was made to make the mistake "correct" instead of actually removing the error to make it uniform with other epic ships.

thank you
this is the crux of the argument
(and in AUS it's $120 for the C-ROC, we pay more because we live on the other side of the world)

3 hours ago, FlashBackJack said:

agreed
yes they just did a piss poor copy and paste
but this costs AU$120 in australia and i expected it to be correct
not buggered up and FAQ'd to fix it
it just shows that FFG are going down hill in quality and ideas
the original designers have clearly moved on to newer products
whoever is making the decisions now are just coasting along because we buy the product
this is why GW started to fail and people are only going back to it because they have listened to the players
and made changes

This formatting is amazing.

1 minute ago, mxlm said:

This formatting is amazing.

thanks my dyslexia hates punctuation so prefers to hit 'enter' instead

1 hour ago, Innese said:

FFG has no reason to provide replacements, as the cardboard with the blue line for the CROC is now the incorrect piece. I agree with you on principle, that FFG messed up, but they fixed this in the best way possible for everyone.

And now the rules insert has the incorrect rules, which is just as assine. One of those 2 compoments will ALWAYS be wrong now, without a reprint. So why not fix the base. Given the fuzzy math listed above, they have 10,000 bases printed, of which 99.999% will go unused. Send somebody to Kinko's and make 100 bases for those who want them.

2 hours ago, kris40k said:

Depends on how low the standard is.

Everyone should be able to order a replacement piece at no cost.

But not everyone will. Also it's not low, just different.

1 hour ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

But not everyone will. Also it's not low, just different.

Re: Playing with the same pieces

I agree that having a standard play experience is best. I propose that both pieces be valid, and that Premier Events will allow the misprinted piece until a date of... pulls a number out of the air ... 1 year after the initial ship date. After that, only the correct piece will be allowed for Premier Events. Somewhat similar reasoning to the idea of phasing out the old damage deck.

Re: Standards.

Fair enough; obviously folks on this forum have wide differences on what they choose is acceptable standards. Now, this isn't a msg board e-peen waving bit, please don't take it like it is, but if you look at my profile, you'll see I registered in 2008. I have every Descent 1st ed. expansion, and remember waiting to buy Road to Legend so I think I started sometime in 2007. I also own a friggin' dark library of Dark Heresy 1st ed., Rogue Trader, Deathwatch , etc. books. My Christmas was X-Wing miniatures and grabbing almost every 40k related RPG book I didn't already own during their Clearance Sale after they lost the 40k license.

I really like Fantasy Flight Games. I have a high opinion of the quality of their products. I understand that sometimes mistakes in rules get made and you have to errata something for game balance or a correction after its been in wide play. I am very accepting of the use of FAQ's and Errata to correct those rule errors.

However, the attempt to cover up what is a blatant manufacturing error, not a necessary rules errata, as anything but a mistake by the manufacturer is ... offensive ... to me. It seems cheap and lazy and I honestly expect better from these guys and gals.

4 hours ago, kris40k said:

Exactly, its the lazy approach.

I'm not saying it doesn't functionally work, but it is the shitier choice. It would show more pride in their work to correct the obvious mistake. The FAQ can handle people playing with the model until the replacement pieces are printed and shipped out to people.

Lazy in that you don't spend literally thousands of dollars printing new cardboard and shipping it all over the world. Or in other words, the only real choice for any business that isn't simply swimming in money.

Just make sure that the Euro localizations have the blue line.

Or include the correct blue-lined CROC token as a gift on the next Scum epic ship.

And keep the current FAQ for non-liners, or for those who wouldn't want to purchase the next epic ship. Because, after all, the gameplay difference is irrelevant and insignificant... right?

This looks like a good candidate for a breakfast thread.

Who wants to go first?

1 hour ago, kris40k said:

Re: Playing with the same pieces

I agree that having a standard play experience is best. I propose that both pieces be valid, and that Premier Events will allow the misprinted piece until a date of... pulls a number out of the air ... 1 year after the initial ship date. After that, only the correct piece will be allowed for Premier Events. Somewhat similar reasoning to the idea of phasing out the old damage deck.

Re: Standards.

Fair enough; obviously folks on this forum have wide differences on what they choose is acceptable standards. Now, this isn't a msg board e-peen waving bit, please don't take it like it is, but if you look at my profile, you'll see I registered in 2008. I have every Descent 1st ed. expansion, and remember waiting to buy Road to Legend so I think I started sometime in 2007. I also own a friggin' dark library of Dark Heresy 1st ed., Rogue Trader, Deathwatch , etc. books. My Christmas was X-Wing miniatures and grabbing almost every 40k related RPG book I didn't already own during their Clearance Sale after they lost the 40k license.

I really like Fantasy Flight Games. I have a high opinion of the quality of their products. I understand that sometimes mistakes in rules get made and you have to errata something for game balance or a correction after its been in wide play. I am very accepting of the use of FAQ's and Errata to correct those rule errors.

However, the attempt to cover up what is a blatant manufacturing error, not a necessary rules errata, as anything but a mistake by the manufacturer is ... offensive ... to me. It seems cheap and lazy and I honestly expect better from these guys and gals.

Nobody is covering up anything. That is ridiculous.

11 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Nobody is covering up anything. That is ridiculous.

Not covering up like cloak-and-dagger BS.

Covering up like falling on your face, muttering, "I meant to do that...oh look a penny!"

There's no mention that this was a mistake. They are acting like that there's not supposed to be any mention of a blue line dividing the model and the arc division was intentional.

Yes, they made a mistake. On one of the pieces they produced for a game.

The literal difference between what we have and what we should have had in our game piece is about half-an-inch.

Yes, that will have a measurable effect in some games, but the impact to the GAME will be so small that it's pretty close to insignificant and absolutely does not warrant FFG spending the kind of money to re-engineer dies, print, cut and ship the cardboard from China, and then mail them out to customers. Remember, that's money that would have been spent developing NEW ships and pieces.

I can't imagine how anyone can get worked up over something so silly. The Errata fix is simple, elegant, and completely resolves the error in all but a few corner cases.

Someone made a mistake in one of the pieces of a game.

It happens.

Move on with your life or rage-quit and sell your collection, but don't hold your breath waiting for FFG to send you a new game piece, because your family and loved ones will be sad.

...or just use a gozanti cardboard chit.

Seriously.

11 minutes ago, NotBatman said:

Move on with your life or rage-quit and sell your collection, but don't hold your breath waiting for FFG to send you a new game piece, because your family and loved ones will be sad.

I would rather commiserate with fellow gamers on a forum specifically created for that purpose. Perhaps even have a discussion with some who agree or disagree about a specific topic.

Weird, I know. But, its a hobby.

For one, this is old news

two the guy is only replying to every post to start a lame argument with no such founding.

and three, there is an ignore feature on the OP's profile so you never have to see him again.

50 minutes ago, NotBatman said:

The literal difference between what we have and what we should have had in our game piece is about half-an-inch.

I can't imagine how anyone can get worked up over something so silly. The Errata fix is simple, elegant, and completely resolves the error in all but a few corner cases.

Someone made a mistake in one of the pieces of a game.

Would the ship have gotten a B.S. errata if it was a tournament ship? Like the Auzituck? I doubt it.

40 minutes ago, Mu0n729 said:

...or just use a gozanti cardboard chit.

The thought had crossed my mind. Or I'll draw my own line on.

But, in a way. . .that is some of the point. A fix like that could have been easy. "Sorry guys, grab a straight edge and a pen." Instead, we get more errata in a game full of errata.

1 hour ago, kris40k said:

Not covering up like cloak-and-dagger BS.

Covering up like falling on your face, muttering, "I meant to do that...oh look a penny!"

There's no mention that this was a mistake. They are acting like that there's not supposed to be any mention of a blue line dividing the model and the arc division was intentional.

Are you 12? Of course it was a mistake. But they've provided an instant, workable, global solution that requires no effort from anyone. Nobody thought it wasn't a mistake. They did not intend for anyone to think it wasn't a mistake. They intended to provide a solution and they did.

37 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Of course it was a mistake. But they've provided an instant, workable, global solution that requires no effort from anyone . Nobody thought it wasn't a mistake. They did not intend for anyone to think it wasn't a mistake. They intended to provide a solution and they did.

Yeah. That part is pretty obvious, too.