16 hours ago, Green Knight said:

Keep the dark side...I mean good ideas flowing!

You begged for it, now you have to stand it!

I like @doobleg's idea from last year, namely that there is a wild card entry for the elimination rounds for the player with the highest MoV of the last Swiss round.

Of course this has a drawbacks. The wild card entry is much less based on actual player skills. However, I think the hope generated by it keeps even the final Swiss rounds gripping for everyone. Maybe, this even reduces dropouts. Hope is such a b****!

Quick summary of ideas thus far:

• Splitting the initial part of the tourney into two, like we did for Freshman, is supported by the community in general. Actually it's a lot like the 'pod' play we've seen before, only now we have a large enough player base that we can do two full Swiss tourneys (4 rounds I guess).
  • It's even possible to do 3 rounds Swiss split, and have the final round combined. Not sure about that one, but I'm noting it down.
• You can only be in ONE of the initial groups.
  • But you get to decide which.
• The format of the final part is either elimination rounds - or possibly a mini-Swiss (3 rounds).
  • Probably looking at 8 players whichever option is selected.
• Wild card(s)
  • The ability of one or more players to secure a spot in the final rounds, based upon some predefined criteria (other than points).
  • Helps encourage ppl to keep playing, even if they know they can't make it to the top.
• The ability to change a list underway.
  • It's an idea that certainly has some appeal - if you initial list proves to be a bad one, what incentive is there to continue playing?
  • There are many pitfalls, however. So if we go down this route, changes will likely be limited both in scope and timing.

Did I miss any?

3 minutes ago, Green Knight said:

Did I miss any?

Wild card!

5 minutes ago, Darth Veggie said:

Wild card!

Right!

Will update!

A tournament run a while back had players split into pods of four (five?), which then played a round-robin. The top player (two players? This was a while ago ) of each pod then went on to an elimination bracket.

The pods were broken up by time zones, and the format was fairly relaxed as each pod could play their games in any order. It was fun.

11 minutes ago, doobleg said:

A tournament run a while back had players split into pods of four (five?), which then played a round-robin. The top player (two players? This was a while ago ) of each pod then went on to an elimination bracket.

The pods were broken up by time zones, and the format was fairly relaxed as each pod could play their games in any order. It was fun.

Unless you have a player drop.

Which happens.

And it very much upsets the balance of the pod

1 hour ago, Green Knight said:

The ability to change a list underway.

• It's an idea that certainly has some appeal - if you initial list proves to be a bad one, what incentive is there to continue playing?
• There are many pitfalls, however. So if we go down this route, changes will likely be limited both in scope and timing.

You could have a side board with X points. You and your opponent get to see what the other has before the start of the game, and any changes from the sideboard are revealed at the same time. Sideboard must be open to everyone. Now sure how the bid would work though. Maybe any change from initial list and change is cut in half to prevent aggressive bidding? So if you are at 395 and swap some things and end at 385, you're real bid is actually 390.

Is this the sign up thread? I'm in!

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Is this the sign up thread? I'm in!

Not really - a bit early for that - but your enthusiasm is noted

How does the american football two conference system work?

24 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

How does the american football two conference system work?

There are two conferences with 16 teams. (Each conference has 4 divisions with four teams each).

During regular season play, the teams play about 16 games with teams from each conference. The leader of each division goes to the playoffs, along with two wildcards with the best records.

The playoffs are just a bracket.

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

There are two conferences with 16 teams. (Each conference has 4 divisions with four teams each).

During regular season play, the teams play about 16 games with teams from each conference. The leader of each division goes to the playoffs, along with two wildcards with the best records.

The playoffs are just a bracket.

To clarify, I believe the playoffs are still intra-conference and they only cross over for the final.

I like the idea of list changes, but it does need a restriction. Maybe you can only change X (100?) points between rounds, and give a grace period between rounds to do it in?

21 hours ago, Green Knight said:

And wave 6 will oc be legal

But my lord, will Wave 6 be... legal?

Yeah it is funny @Ginkapomentioned the NFL, because my thoughts about an Armada league were very similar. Have two conferences (East and West) and within those we could play a bunch of lower stress games. The players with the highest records after a season could face of in a playoff. I think the best would be a round robin. Then the two conference champs would face off in the Armada Bowl!

Since the scoring in that type of league would be stretched out over a longer period maybe scoring would need to be changed so a couple of 10-1s don't sink the whole season.

Maybe only score wins at half the differential? So 6 and 7 score 1, 8 and 9 score 2, and a 10 would score 3.

2 hours ago, Undeadguy said:

You could have a side board with X points. You and your opponent get to see what the other has before the start of the game, and any changes from the sideboard are revealed at the same time. Sideboard must be open to everyone. Now sure how the bid would work though. Maybe any change from initial list and change is cut in half to prevent aggressive bidding? So if you are at 395 and swap some things and end at 385, you're real bid is actually 390.

A sideboard... how MtG of you.

However, I like this idea as it adds a little intrigue between rounds and could add another dimension between games. You could have a sideboard of anti-squadron, then looking at your opponent, you put some in; however, he ditched his bombers and now you are wasting the points.

Bidding: Just say bid must be within X points of initial fleet bid (or last fleet bid). That allows variance, but not too much.

4 hours ago, SirDave said:

A sideboard... how MtG of you.

However, I like this idea as it adds a little intrigue between rounds and could add another dimension between games. You could have a sideboard of anti-squadron, then looking at your opponent, you put some in; however, he ditched his bombers and now you are wasting the points.

Bidding: Just say bid must be within X points of initial fleet bid (or last fleet bid). That allows variance, but not too much.

This. You're letting your opponent buy his final upgrades at half price. "Oh, you're slow? Wow, that's a coincidence that my Clonisher dropped all those External Racks for Expanded Launchers and still had the bid needed for first."

Do I think any of us are going to do that? Honestly probably in the margins, and that's just not fair in this kind of setting. If you have a couple of pre-built fleets you choose from, that could create some interesting mind games, but that's got its own problems.

Maybe you build a 500 or 600 point fleet but could take only up to 400 points worth for the match. That way everyone knows what everyone could possibly have but the final fleet would be a surprise with the bid based on that.

Maybe everyone submits a second fleet and at the halfway point before match ups they go yeah or nay to switching to back up fleet.

18 hours ago, GiledPallaeon said:

"Oh, you're slow? Wow, that's a coincidence that my Clonisher dropped all those External Racks for Expanded Launchers and still had the bid needed for first."

That is a good point. And many others scenarios that haven't been considered.

GK, weve found a new LOS bug fix. If someone joins after the LOS tool got stuck, get them to use it and it unbugs.