At this point, I think Gink can claim "hey would you look at that, I'm a bad guy!" and Biggs would question us and defend Gink.

Lol. I think Biggs simply trusts his read.

@BiggsIRL

relevant:

2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

@BiggsIRL

relevant:

Okay, I think Gink was tossing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks there, but I see your argument and frankly it's a good point.

So I want to vote Gink but don't want to be accused of it being a mistake cause that would push them to turbo.

## Unvote @moodswing5537

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

First Lie...(And seriously I think we all wish this one wasn't a lie )

Just throws a vote out there...for look at the horrible reason

Come on everybody let's be jokers...then gets all over GNIPs for it.

Points at Mood, who did the same exact thing as him...points to there being two Sith. (that is not town, Biggs)

Biggs says this is a town play. I read it as a "I'm hiding something" play.

More of the Biggs love/hate.

More of the Mood Love/Hate.

Never got a great answer on this at all. "I'm on 24/7 but my 24/7 doesn't coinciede with Tirion's" Huh?

So here we see some kind of craziness unfolding. This is DAY 1! If you read this as town, I'm not sure was is going on @BiggsIRL . I can see him throwing **** against the wall to see what sticks, but this seems like a lot of ****.

I see Biggs bending over backwards to deflect for Gink. And now rereading I see that Mood and Gink may have just given each other "joke" votes to throw us off.

Here you go @Onidsen . To be fair to you though, CNinja says my "town" reads are different reads for him, instead of directly saying scum would be doing town things.

Also I thought Ghost was making the argument too in his post earlier, but that was not exactly the case.

Just now, BiggsIRL said:

Here you go @Onidsen . To be fair to you though, CNinja says my "town" reads are different reads for him, instead of directly saying scum would be doing town things.

Also I thought Ghost was making the argument too in his post earlier, but that was not exactly the case.

Fair enough.

I didn't read Cninja making the argument you attacked - the only posts I saw that were relevant were my own, for which the argument you summarized would have risen to the level of mischaracterization. But if you were trying to do a broad spectrum response and I misinterpreted it as a targeted attack, I can own my mistake.

2 minutes ago, Tirion said:

So I want to vote Gink but don't want to be accused of it being a mistake cause that would push them to turbo.

## Unvote @moodswing5537

## Unvote @Tirion because I should have removed it when you first posted. My apologies.

And I cannot wait until @Ginkapo , who I pegged as Vanilla Town, claims. Oh, I cannot wait.

Because this throws every argument I made out the window.

Everyone ended up friendly all of a sudden, am I in an alternate universe?

I know I'm making a TON of friends right now, but please give me a moment to post a list post claim and pre-hammer.

How @Ginkapo looks when he reads our posts:

1 minute ago, BiggsIRL said:

I know I'm making a TON of friends right now, but please give me a moment to post a list post claim and pre-hammer.

I just wanna see the list.

Well, here's where I stand right now. We have several hours to go and we have some votes on Gink, and some votes on GNIPs. To me, as much as I have suspicion about Gink, I have even more concern over Biggs' over the top defense of him. I also am concerned about the light activity of others.

Oh, hadn't realised we are less than 6 hours to go, my bad. Yeah, we need a decision, not letting a no-lynch D1 go through

@Truthiness , can we get another count since the unvotes please? At your earliest convenience, of course.....

3 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:

@Truthiness , can we get another count since the unvotes please? At your earliest convenience, of course.....

Hop to muthalova

7 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I just wanna see the list.

It will be VERY dependent on Gink's claim.

And less dependent on Ghost's claim.

In fact, I really just want to see Gink's claim. Like, what could it be?

Just now, BiggsIRL said:

It will be VERY dependent on Gink's claim.

And less dependent on Ghost's claim.

In fact, I really just want to see Gink's claim. Like, what could it be?

He could well be planning on leaning on something he spotted in the pm's, a la your first game. Though, I'll be honest, I haven't read through mine carefully enough to look for any shenanigans in it yet...

Still not sure he should claim, to be honest. What's he at, 3, with 2 promised votes? 3 max?

Just now, moodswing5537 said:

Still not sure he should claim, to be honest. What's he at, 3, with 2 promised votes? 3 max?

Hes at 4 with at least three people (JJ, Tirion, Visovics) who have expressed interest in voting for him. Ard also mentioned that he found gink suspicious before voting slippy nippy in the name of dicersifying pressure.

@Madaghmire you didnt vote Tirion or Ard. Its a defence. Repeatedly highlighting that they are absent and nothing more is a defence. As I think is abundantly clear by this point, I dont care what words people use, I care what they do. Your actions were a defence.

Right now the excitement. My role can be played two ways and I am only capable of one of them.

I am Ben Skywalker, Paranoid gun owner. If someone tries to kill me at night, I kill them.

Now I could play really town, avoid being lynched by being completely objective and not putting my neck on the line. This way I can guide town safely and if scum get annoyed they could always kill me unknowingly....

Now does anyone think I am capable of playing this way? Its just not me.

The alternative, get a claim out early and laugh my head of as i become invulnerable and get to lead town strongly from the front whilst scum are royally pissed off that they can do sweet f all about it.

Plus this way I can be the needless D1 claim that this forum seems to love.

This is why I have quite happily accepted votes as it really doesnt affect town for me to claim early, and it must have been freaking scum out how nonchelant I have been.

You thought I was aggressive before, (though seriously this is nothing compared to my old site), I am flipping Rambo now. Untouchable

I will add, guys read your pm's, I would not be surprised if there are third parties in this game. The win condition seems carefully worded.

Oh, that is glorious.

Just glorious.

One problem though....

On 6/20/2017 at 5:52 PM, BiggsIRL said:

Paranoid ; that's what town should be during joke vote time. Scum love joke vote time. They use it to gain town cred. That's why we need to all act as scummy as possible so the people that look the most town are revealed for who they are! Scum!

##unvote Ghost

On 6/20/2017 at 5:54 PM, BiggsIRL said:

Gun shots fired! Though that's not the point of joke voting period. We still have a LONG time to go, and in all seriousness this little bit does let us figure out some things, even if a lot of it is goofyness.

On 6/20/2017 at 5:57 PM, BiggsIRL said:

Owner ship of votes is crucial here. Often we'll see scum do something try try and influence the vote on someone coming out of the joke vote period. Like I did in the last game with Norrel, even though I didn't vote until late, I tried to get people onboard a serious lynch while trying to build up town cred. We can look for people doing the same.

Why would Truthiness put both you, and me a single shot Paranoid Gun Owner in the game?