Hey guys, sorry, I'm a bit behind--I got locked in the Force bathroom and it took all day for somebody to come let me out. My telekinesis power isn't all that great yet.
I'll try to get caught up later tonight.
[Mafia] Jedi Academy: Day 2
2 minutes ago, Tirion said:Nice deflection
........
Nope. Just an observation. Other folks have been calling you to this thread, and you only responded to my vote. Seems scummy....
And everyone is at least checked in. Well, it's a start.
##vote Time Extension
17 minutes ago, Tirion said:Nice deflection
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This is following the trend you set in your scum game. Any type of defense it technically a deflection, so that has no bearing at all on posts. You constantly point "deflection, deflection!!" like it's not something you are doing yourself by actually calling attention to others' deflections...
Anyway, now I'm actually off to bed. Be back tomorrow afternoon/evening.
9 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:And everyone is at least checked in. Well, it's a start.
##vote Time Extension
I already said it, but didn't realize I should hashtag it. Makes sense
##vote time extension
6 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:@ovinomanc3r tell this man I was a valuable contributor to the team.
Yes guys. At least a bit of respect. He was my count Dooku. I sacrificed him when he became unnecessary 
It's better to have everyone's views
##Time Extension
It's better to have everyone's views
##Time Extension
I'm haunted by double posts...
Doesn't matter to me either way, but if it's helpful for someone else, I'm for it.
##vote time extension
7 hours ago, Onidsen said:And Gink - this is certainly par for the course with me. I hang back, observing. I contribute, but I'm seldom the most prolific contributor. And sometimes I don't even post for *gasp* 24 hours! Heaven forbid! Don't think that I'm not paying attention. I'm watching most everything that goes on in this thread.
I'm not even going to respond to the insults. They stand to indict you well enough on their own.
I want you to be perma lynched D1 till you learn to play mafia. You offer nothing for people to get a read from making you a permanent liability.
Insults? You sound like the forum mods, and yet fail to read grammar where I havent actually insulted anyone.
@CaribbeanNinja What reasons are there for voting me. You claim in response to Biggs post that there are reasons but havent posted any. So hmmm reasons. #reasons. "Reasons"
3 hours ago, Madaghmire said:There is a role known as silencer that can shut folks down but that requires a night action, and I don't see a reason to give such an ability a free day action.
Why are you obsessed with trying to protect Ard and Tirion? This is at least the third time you have tried to suggest there might be a silencer. Is one of them your scum mate?
3 hours ago, Tirion said:Well in my first game I wasn't super vocal until mad had died and then Ard bizarrely killed gink.
So you acknowledge that you only started talking after the game was won by town! That makes you pointless. Why should you be allowed to live? What do you offer?
3 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:Hey guys, sorry, I'm a bit behind--I got locked in the Force bathroom and it took all day for somebody to come let me out. My telekinesis power isn't all that great yet.
I'll try to get caught up later tonight.
Why are you laying role breadcrumbs? Only scum do that.
And there we have it GNips, Ard and Mad.
I'm fine either way on the time extension thing.
8 hours ago, Ginkapo said:Visovics, Mood and Mad are hiding behind flavour to appear as here whilst actually offering little.
GNips is still "reviewing" for where best to place his vote. His words not mine. Almost a 12 hour review so far.
Odin and Ovin are just being Awol. Par for the course for both of them. Not a positive play ever, frankly its cowardly.
And you yourself are barely doing anything. Biggs seems uncommital even if I have liked his contributions when made.
Tirion and JJ I cant really comment on as they are both going to be out of timezone with me all game.
He completely forgot about me. My dastardly plan to lay low is working!
4 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Also, based off of my previous posts I will put out my vote before bed, just in case I miss tomorrow.
##vote GNiPs
The general impression from his early voting and then backing off, plus frantically trying to cover himself come off as the most suspicious of anyone to me so far. Gink is hard for me to get a read on due to his usual style, but he is on my radar, just below GNiPs.
This pretty much sums up my exact impressions. That instant reversion was about as much of a scum flag as I've seen so far. Apart from that, I was just gonna toss my vote in for the Gink train to shut him up and let me finish my padawan meditations in peace.
Add to that Gink's vote sitting on NIPs without a lot of verbal pressure from him (despite his wilting violet nature)--possibility we've got a nice perky pair of all-natural scum right there.
Since there's already pressure on the other one I'm suspicious of without my contricution, I'm gonna go for the #vote GoNIP for now.
Also, [meta], I'm prepping for a big interview on Friday, so while I'll contribute as much as I can between here and there, I expect to be on a once or twice a day posting schedule til probably Saturday morning.
1 minute ago, Ginkapo said:I want you to be perma lynched D1 till you learn to play mafia. You offer nothing for people to get a read from making you a permanent liability.
Insults? You sound like the forum mods, and yet fail to read grammar where I havent actually insulted anyone.
@CaribbeanNinja What reasons are there for voting me. You claim in response to Biggs post that there are reasons but havent posted any. So hmmm reasons. #reasons. "Reasons"
Why are you obsessed with trying to protect Ard and Tirion? This is at least the third time you have tried to suggest there might be a silencer. Is one of them your scum mate?
So you acknowledge that you only started talking after the game was won by town! That makes you pointless. Why should you be allowed to live? What do you offer?
Why are you laying role breadcrumbs? Only scum do that.
And there we have it GNips, Ard and Mad.
What are you talking about? I was town and the mafia won in that game........
2 minutes ago, Tirion said:What are you talking about? I was town and the mafia won in that game........
I remember swearing a lot now.
Well my point still stands. That game was won for town on my death and it was only at the point you started talking that town mucked it up.
Thats worse to be honest. You are a hinderence to your team.
@Ardaedhel why do you have to throw a spanner in my scum trio so quick?
3 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:Why are you laying role breadcrumbs? Only scum do that.
And there we have it GNips, Ard and Mad.
My dastardly plan to lay low just fell apart.
In case you didn't pick that up in the first game I played, I am the worst at both placing and picking up on these things--that is definitely not what I was doing there.
Even if I had been, that's pretty far from a scum thing to do: just because filthy @BiggsIRL tried it last game as scum doesn't mean it's a scum tell. Any town role could easily benefit from being able to point back at how they made a claim on D1 to reveal a counterclaim.
8 hours ago, Ginkapo said:GNips is still "reviewing" for where best to place his vote. His words not mine. Almost a 12 hour review so far.
Actually, the review didn't last too long. Maybe half an hour. But it took me a while to get around to it, owing to unexpected life callings. As to why I haven't voted? Simple. I hadn't found anything particularly suspicious enough. . . see, the majority of the conversation that occurred was people commenting on you, and you daring them to vote you. I found that odd and unhelpful. I considered voting for Visovics, being the person who jumped on the 'Gink Train' after I specifically unvoted and said there was no such thing, which seemed like he wanted to bump you off yet missed the fact that it was a joke, and you, for offering no defense or even seeming to care that you were voted. I liked posts where I agree with the poster, and commented where I had anything to contribute. However as most of the conversation revolved around you, I hadn't much to comment on.
34 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:I want you to be perma lynched D1 till you learn to play mafia. You offer nothing for people to get a read from making you a permanent liability.
Insults? You sound like the forum mods, and yet fail to read grammar where I havent actually insulted anyone.
@CaribbeanNinja What reasons are there for voting me. You claim in response to Biggs post that there are reasons but havent posted any. So hmmm reasons. #reasons. "Reasons"
Why are you obsessed with trying to protect Ard and Tirion? This is at least the third time you have tried to suggest there might be a silencer. Is one of them your scum mate?
So you acknowledge that you only started talking after the game was won by town! That makes you pointless. Why should you be allowed to live? What do you offer?
Why are you laying role breadcrumbs? Only scum do that.
And there we have it GNips, Ard and Mad.
Dude, really? Ard is suspicious merely because he can't post often, after having told us he was busy, and Mad is suspicious because he defends Ard?
I disagree with your opinions, and as you seem to be 'driving the conversation' by keeping it about you, and thus kinda stifling most other conversation, I shall, ironically,
##vote Ginkapo
this time for real.
1 hour ago, Ardaedhel said:Since there's already pressure on the other one I'm suspicious of without my contricution, I'm gonna go for the #vote GoNIP for now.
Just because it was buried in the text and not obvious (oh, and also, on rereading, I ****** up the double-octothorpe), I want to make sure @GhostofNobodyInParticular sees this and gets the chance to defend himself.
##vote GoNIP
44 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:Just because it was buried in the text and not obvious (oh, and also, on rereading, I ****** up the double-octothorpe), I want to make sure @GhostofNobodyInParticular sees this and gets the chance to defend himself.
##vote GoNIP
Yep, I saw it.
I am sincerely puzzled as to what I did that is suspicious. I voted sarcastically then, when people took me seriously, I unvoted, to show that I was merely joking and didn't mean it. But people seemed to really want to read something into it, and Gink seemed to want to ignore that I had said it was a joke, and demanded me to vote anybody merely to be seen to vote, as if the action counted more than the reason. He claims I have to vote, and should have a reason by now, but when I told him I hadn't, he expressed doubt, as if I could only be scum if I didn't vote on the most flimsy of evidence, or the even the lack of that, as if no evidence was evidence enough. So, because he claims to desire a reason, but claims the most thin and confusing of reasons, I ended up voting him again, this time for real.
I mean, he told me I had to vote, but also mustn't vote 'just 'cause'. I had to have a reason. I told him I didn't have any, he told me to find one. I told him I hadn't, and he essentially said I must be scum to have not found a reason. I find this ridiculous and told him so, but he ignores me. I find such insistence of voting "'cause I must" combined with "don't just randomly vote on principle" a contradiction.
So there you have it: I get suspicious for being sarcastic and claiming as much, then continue to be suspicious because I can't find any justifiable voting point concerning anybody on the first day.
Since nobody is objecting, I'll extend things out until 2100 eastern time.
16 hours remaining
7 to hammer
The Living:
@Ginkapo (4) Onisden, Madaghmire, Ovinomanc3r, GNiP
@GhostofNobodyInParticular (3) Ginkapo, JJ, Ard
@Ardaedhel (1) Biggs
@moodswing5537 (1) Tirion
@Tirion (1) moodswing
The Dead
Edited by TruthinessOn 6/20/2017 at 4:04 PM, Ginkapo said:ok, An introduction to the joke vote phase.
Everyone needs to start throwing votes around for "reasons". By doing this it starts to naturally build pressure in the game and gives us talking points.
On 6/20/2017 at 4:09 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:You mean like:
##vote Ginkapo
'cause he's teaching us how to play (and thus may misguide us)?
"Reasons" I read to be 'no particular reason'. It is after all a 'joke vote'. . .
On 6/20/2017 at 4:21 PM, BiggsIRL said:Also ##vote GhostofNobodyInParticular
Don't policy vote quality / experienced players, no matter how salty they are. That's a scum move.
You're not scum... are you?
I'll start with the "Gink GNIPs and 'Stache Triangle." (Whoa what part of the anatomy is a Gink?)
This was the beginning of the suspicion leveled at GNIPs. My only problem with the exhange for GNIPs is that he backed off Ginkapo. (I'll agree with the 'stache that this smells bad)
However, something else we learn here is that GNIPs actually just did exactly what Gink was asking for and then got a lot of heat for it. Mainly from Biggs and Gink. Worse IMO, Biggs began his "bow down to Gink" "Friendly Fortuitous" nonsense here. He is ether trying to do what he did to Onidsen here, or is just a major padawan suck-up.
4 hours ago, Ginkapo said:@CaribbeanNinja What reasons are there for voting me. You claim in response to Biggs post that there are reasons but havent posted any. So hmmm reasons. #reasons. "Reasons"
I have reasons. The first and obvious one, is that someone needs to be pressured to talk, and boy have you. The second reason kind of goes with that one. There is something off with your defenses (oh you'll say "what can I do to defend myself blah blah blah.") It isn't the usual saltiness. It isn't the deflections to everybody else. There is something...
3 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Yep, I saw it.
I am sincerely puzzled as to what I did that is suspicious. I voted sarcastically then, when people took me seriously, I unvoted, to show that I was merely joking and didn't mean it. But people seemed to really want to read something into it, and Gink seemed to want to ignore that I had said it was a joke, and demanded me to vote anybody merely to be seen to vote, as if the action counted more than the reason. He claims I have to vote, and should have a reason by now, but when I told him I hadn't, he expressed doubt, as if I could only be scum if I didn't vote on the most flimsy of evidence, or the even the lack of that, as if no evidence was evidence enough. So, because he claims to desire a reason, but claims the most thin and confusing of reasons, I ended up voting him again, this time for real.
I mean, he told me I had to vote, but also mustn't vote 'just 'cause'. I had to have a reason. I told him I didn't have any, he told me to find one. I told him I hadn't, and he essentially said I must be scum to have not found a reason. I find this ridiculous and told him so, but he ignores me. I find such insistence of voting "'cause I must" combined with "don't just randomly vote on principle" a contradiction.
So there you have it: I get suspicious for being sarcastic and claiming as much, then continue to be suspicious because I can't find any justifiable voting point concerning anybody on the first day.
I have told you to do nothing. It may seem like that as I have repeating your own words back at you.
You keep saying one thing and do enough.
Declaring that its important to pressure players with proper votes (you said that not me), and then not voting.
Its like you want stuff to happen without you having to get your own hands dirty in the process.
8 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:However, something else we learn here is that GNIPs actually just did exactly what Gink was asking for and then got a lot of heat for it.
He placed a joke vote as asked. No complaint from me for that. However he then unvoted after a stiff breeze from Biggs declaring joke voting to be a foolish excercise and we must all pressure with actual votes.
He is declaring jokevoting to be foolish, something he partaketh in of his own volition. And meanwhile declares serious voting to be a necessity and tries strongly to avoideth partaking.
Why? Why would any sane member of town say stuff so contrasting to their own actions? This is the stuff politicians do.
Regarding your other comment, yeah there is a twinkle in my eye for a reason. 
Though I dont get what you mean that someone needs to be pressured to talk? Do I? Really? You want more talk?
13 hours ago, Ginkapo said:Tirion and JJ I cant really comment on as they are both going to be out of timezone with me all game.
Re-reading the thread I come up with this little sentence that strikes me as odd...
Gink, how did you know you'd be out of timezone with Tirion all game?
His ONLY post up until that point was his "role confirm."
15 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:Re-reading the thread I come up with this little sentence that strikes me as odd...
Gink, how did you know you'd be out of timezone with Tirion all game?
His ONLY post up until that point was his "role confirm."
Cause I post 24 7 on this forum and never ever cross paths with Tirion. Similarly to how in at least a year of vassal tourneys I think I have spoken to JJ once.